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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
You forgot corporate welfare. Corporate welfare subsidizes social programs?
And I pay for my medicare, Asshole! Congratulations, I'm very proud of you. "Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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You have no real understanding of how public assistance works or who the vast majority of people on public assistance are. Very few of them are freeholders trying to take advantage of the system.
You speak of this section 8 thing as it is magic free housing. It is way inadequate what it gives in most places and is almost impossible to get in most places. Go ahead call me a social, justice warrior. I dare you. I wear that with pride. Better than being an self entitled, blame the poor wing nut. Oh yeah your alt-right creds are showing again.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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Corporate welfare subsidizes social programs? I am not surprised that you do not get the point of his comment.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Hyroglyphx writes:
I spoke of "having enough to eat" and you go straight to starvation? Surely you aren't so blind that you don't know there are people who don't have enough to eat.
Expect in an age of WIC, TANF, Section 8, Medicaid, SNAP, Medicare, EBT food stamps, etc, etc, starvation is about as rare as Polio. Hyroglyphx writes:
Everybody needs food. Some people need to use social programs and charities to feed their children and themselves.
So if somebody wants free food then they just want free food. Hyrogluphx writes:
It doesn't have to be. A healthy, well-fed workforce is essential to any society. Its not a matter of life or death.Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing. -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0
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I'll chime in with my 2 cents on this argument. As a political moderate, I can see the tension between two extremes. But the simple fact is that what we in the US spend on food stamp programs is a drop in the bucket compared to what we spend on the military. I think we can afford it.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
... what we in the US spend on food stamp programs is a drop in the bucket compared to what we spend on the military. How do you know this? Are you complaining about what we spend on the military?
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Faith writes: Are you complaining about what we spend on the military? Yes. If we can pull funds from the Military Budget for something as utterly brain dead and stupid as the US/Mexico Border Wall then we are allocating far too much to the military and should be spending that money on something that at least has value.
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Are you complaining about what we spend on the military? Reality is what it is. The US does what it does partially on the will of the people yet largely upon the collective will and plan of the corporations. As a great power, it has historically been a given that our military be "second to none" as my WWII Dad used to be fond of saying. He never bothered to study the differnt sides of the issue as I have begun to do. I see where the secular humanist liberals seek a better more peaceful world and yet do not believe in the overall sinfulness of man. The conservatives, many of them religious, are under no illusion that there can be peaceful globalism. They sense a threat to their power and position and the future survival...indeed dominance...of their offspring. White privilege is thrust in the face of conservatives, yet the reality is that they see globalism as a struggle rather than a communion. After all, if it were all "fair" we (in the US middle) would lose the power and position we now have. ringo claims that it doesn't matter and that it is what Jesus in fact advocated. You likely will defend patriotism and the necessity of fighting for freedom. All I can say is to remember that you believe in original sin...thus we all are potentially guilty of our actions and motives. Not just the liberals.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
I wouldn't downplay what the American military did in WWII but it was not G.I. Joe who won the war - it was Rosie the Riveter. A strong nation needs a strong workforce; a strong military is secondary. As a great power, it has historically been a given that our military be "second to none" as my WWII Dad used to be fond of saying.Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing. -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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There is a great tale that covers that perfectly. During the early phases of D-Day there was a German tank covering the exit road from a town. As an American tank turned the corner it would send a single shot which blew up the American tank. Again and again and again this happened. Eventually though he ran out of ammunition before the US ran out of tanks and so abandoned his position.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
jar writes:
I was actually thinking of tanks. Eventually though he ran out of ammunition before the US ran out of tanks and so abandoned his position. The same would apply to trucks, aircraft, ships, etc.Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing. -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Of course I'm with those who disagree with you about the importance of the wall, including Border Patrol who say it will help them enormously. It's not merely a barrier, it includes drone activity and other helps. And it can certainly be seen as a valid military expense in my opinion. But it was Phat's opinion I asked for.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
including Border Patrol who say it will help them enormously
Source please.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Historically the USA has been a force for good in the world, due to our Christian worldview as I understand it, and we have real enemies out there who want to destroy us. Real enemies means a real need for defensive power. I do believe the nation's Christian worldview has been deteriorating over the last few decades, but it's still evident enough to the Russian I quoted somewhere recently who sees it in our basic moral positions, which he contrasts to the corruption in Russia at all levels. That was when I was discussing the rfilm about "The Family" wherever that was.
(Found it: Message 616). But we don't need to go into all that beyond recognizing that the US really truly has been a force for good in the world. We are not out to conquer others, we've gone to war to defend others, we help rebuild nations after they are destroyed by war, we send aid all over the world, and even if others also do that now it's by copying us because we started it. It's a Christian mindset, it is not the mindset of Communism or paganism. And there ARE enemies out there who want to destroy us. We can have peace if we are well armed against them. It is possible then that they will leave us alone, but if they don't it's good to know we have the means to protect ourselves. As for being fallen, that's always true of all of us, but it's nevertheless possible for a nation to be built on principles that really are good and peaceful and the US has shown that to the world. If we ever lose this perspective it will be at the hands of the Left who have conceived an irrational hatred of our good nation and actually think other systems are better which have never shown anything but murderous power-mad intent. I'm certainly not claiming any kind of perfection in saying any of this, just a general good will that does not describe the vast majority of other nations. You didn't really answer the question if you think we are spending too much on the military though. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Remember Faith, I live along the border and often deal personally with Border Patrol Agents. In fact quite a few of the shoot at the same range I use and even get leather work done by the same old shoemaker I use.
None of the folk I know that actually have their feet on the ground and deal with the actual patrolling favor the utterly stupid fence. What they favor is more automated surveillance, more horses, more atvs and more medical and other aid for the immigrants. They favor stopping the Coyotes, not their clients, more and improved crossings, more staff to get folk across legally, more lanes for traffic and more manpower.
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