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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No, I think granting citizenship to Anchor Babies is an idiotic law.
AbE: I agree with Phat about chain migration. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The way Ellis Island did it was as a Welcome Center. Folk were provided with a health checkup and if they were found to have a contagious disease provided with hospital care. Others were asked a few questions and then simply admitted.
Ellis Island is a good example of what we should do today; welcome folk, make sure they are health including providing necessary medical treatments and then let them join the general population. We are supposedly a nation that functions under the rule of law. If you actually read what is written in our governing documents you will find that certain basic rights apply to anyone within the Jurisdiction of the US. One absolutely basic right is that a person is considered innocent unless first charged with a crime and then adjudged to be guilty by a court and with legal council. This is different than in other nations and one of the somewhat unique characteristics of the historic United State of America. In the US someone must be judged guilty and no one is presumed guilty. A person does not have to prove they are innocent; that is the default position. It does not matter if the person is a citizen or non-citizen; the same rules apply. The person is presumed innocent. The idea of a wall is simply brain dead stupid.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes I know about that law and it's crazy. Most people at Ellis Island had legitimate authority to be there of one sort or another, but at our southern border we are talking about gate crashers mostly. Even those seeking asylum don't do it right, they wait until they get here to make that claim. Maybe we need a zone where they are processed that isn't within the jurisdiction of the country. We can't take in six billion people you know. Or maybe you don't know it. And we aren't the United Nations so why should our laws apply to foreigners who are not qualified to be citizens?
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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Recently our church put on a community fund raiser to raise money for the local fund bank, the local hospital and a local institution helping seniors. Well it was being set up 2 teenagers that are part of the Islamic refugee family our church, along with other Christian churches had sponsored, helped to set it up.
While they were there they started talking to a woman setting up a booth who expressed sorrow for what they had gone through and what had, and what is happening, to their country. (Syria) Then they found out that she was from Israel and that she was Jewish. These Islamic kids were completely shocked as they had believed that they were hated by Jewish people. It was a real revelation to them. The kids went home and told their father about all of this. Their father then contacted our church group to find out the phone number of this woman so that he could invite her over for dinner. All this happened at an event sponsored by a Christian church. Jesus' way is about building bridges - not walls.He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8 |
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Faith writes: And we aren't the United Nations so why should our laws apply to foreigners who are not qualified to be citizens? Because that is how our laws and Constitution are written and our historical legal system has mostly worked. Granted bigotry and denial of the rule of law has also been a common feature of the United States.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6
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No, I think granting citizenship to Anchor Babies is an idiotic law.
then i return to my question of what did you do to earn your citizenship?It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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DrJones writes: I think that a lot of us born in western democracies such as Canada or the Excited States found ourselves born at third base and then think we got there by hitting a triple. then i return to my question of what did you do to earn your citizenship?He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
It is not a law. It is the U.S. Constitution. Why are you so unAmerican? Why do you hate our Constitution so much?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Double post
Edited by Theodoric, : Reason aboveFacts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Want to put in a plug for Michelle Malkin's new book that just came out last week, Open Borders Inc., Who is Funding America's Destruction. All I know about it I heard on a weekend conservative talk show, so I have no evidence for anything she claims in it. I haven't read it and may not read it. I post it in case anyone wants to hear about how there are anti-American forces funding the destruction of America by interfering with all attempts to control who comes across our borders. Soros is one name, some churches are also named. She gets into statistics about crimes committed by illegals among other things.
Here's the blurb at Amazon:
In the name of compassionbut driven by financial profitglobalist elites, Silicon Valley, and the radical Left are conspiring to undo the rule of law, subvert our homeland security, shut down free speech, and make gobs of money off the backs of illegal aliens, refugees, and low-wage guest workers. Politicians want cheap votes or cheap labor. Church leaders want pew-fillers and collection plate donors. Social justice militants, working with corporate America, want to silence free speech they deem hateful, while raking in tens of millions of dollars promoting mass, uncontrolled immigration both legal and illegal. Malkin names namesfrom Pope Francis to George Clooney, from George Soros to the Koch brothers, from Jack Dorsey to Tim Cook and Mark Zuckerberg. Enlightening as it is infuriating, Open Borders Inc. reveals the powerful forces working to erase America. I'm not big on explanations of money motivation, I'm more persuaded by ideological/power reasons for evil activities, but I'm sure she's done her research. Cheers. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Even though the critics will call the book one-sided and biased, it is well worth listening to how the other side thinks and why. It seems to me that globalists care not one whit about preserving national heritage---even if we were a self-serving empire at worst, we still have the right to our sovereignty. I am a moderate politically, so I don't hate "the Left" as much as you do...I see it as all people sinning, be they conservative or liberal, but I would side with the populists in the event of any attempts at dismantling the United States. Uncle Sam needs to take care of me first...not the starving global masses. Granted, God wants us all to take care of each other, which is an ironic call for one world people....and im not sure what He expects us to do. My jury is still out. One thing is for certain, however. There are some powerful global changes that even secular humanists see as inevitable. I'm not so sure that I am comfortable with most of them.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
GDR writes: I know. I've read the books on White Privilege and I realize that I feel entitled. I don't really see how I'm ever going to change unless I really wanted to change, and that means humbling myself and eating a lot of crow. I'm getting older, for one thing, and I believe that I should be taken care of...its my parents sweat justified. As for me taking care of others, I know that it is what God likely wants me to grow towards....but I admittedly am nearly broke and getting more helpless each year I age. [/whine] On the plus side, I am helping others more each day, and have kept my addictions in check. I think that a lot of us born in western democracies such as Canada or the Excited States found ourselves born at third base and then think we got there by hitting a triple. I keep arguing with God not to make me homeless, crippled, or poor...and He keeps telling me that it is up to me! I can't figure out why the poor widow was immortalized in scripture...she gave all that she had...which was but little. It never says whether or not she found the comfort which she surely deserved. My friend, Michael, (whom I mentioned in another post) is poor and nearly homeless, yet he accepts his spot in life and fights to be a better father, teacher, and community adult leader. I know my scripture. God gives grace to the humble yet resists the proud. Sometimes, the reality is unforgiving, however. I'm just 60 years old, diabetic, and tired. Currently, I am trying to fast and become more spiritual. It's an uphill battle---I seek comfort and feel entitled to it. Pray for me. Edited by Thugpreacha, : fixed goofChance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'd just say that it's all too easy to confuse sinning humanity with an evil ideology. We need to hate the evil ideology with all the strength we can muster, and all the understanding we can acquire about it. We can have compassion for sinning humanity but not for an evil ideology that has them in its grip and will destroy everything people need to live. Pray for them, pray that God will tear down the ideology.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Faith writes: I'd just say that it's all too easy to confuse sinning humanity with an evil ideology. We need to hate the evil ideology with all the strength we can muster, and all the understanding we can acquire about it. Do you mean the evil ideology that says that as a society we have a duty to clothe the naked, feed the hungry, shelter the homeless, protect the weak, comfort the sorrowful?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I think that a lot of us born in western democracies such as Canada or the Excited States found ourselves born at third base and then think we got there by hitting a triple. "Excited States," that's cute. We no doubt need a lot more humility and gratitude for the great blessing of having been born into such privileged nations, but we certainly don't need the guilt so many want to lay on us. We need to work to preserve the blessing or it will be taken from us and nobody will benefit from it.
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