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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't appreciate the Alt-reich putting their politics above the surv ival of our species. And *I* don't appreciate THIS utterly false unfair accusation, when it's the LEFT's politics that allow the real polluters to do their worst with impunity and, whether you know it or not and I really don't know how deep you are into the Marxist underpinnings of all this, are out to destroy the GOOD GUYS of the planet. Us. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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Faith writes: whether you know it or not and I really don't know how deep you are into the Marxist underpinnings of all this, are out to destroy the GOOD GUYS of the planet. Us. And out come the right wing hysterics.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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Faith writes: And I don't trust such charts anyway. But I would like to see some trustworthy information about those particular relationships somehow. The trustworthy information are those charts. Can you explain why you don't trust charts? If I described the chart in words would you trust it more?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
... There is a basic division in US politics...nearly right down the middle. When a conservative leader gets voted in, 48% of the people disagree with that choice. When a democratic leader gets elected, 48% of the other side disagrees with that choice. Thus we have partisan politics always in play, with two or more different goals in mind and a stubborn refusal at compromise or consensus. Politicians are by nature short-sighted. They earn a living whether anything gets done or not. What we need is a visionary...a statesman who can inspire unity and action. .... When the political ideologies look across the aisle at their opponents, perhaps they need to include the interests of the vanquished 48% rather than simply the interests of the victorious 52%. Yes we do need a more educated population. And what I'd like to see us educated about isn't only science but the history of the Marxist/Communist attempt to destroy America, which has succeeded to such a degree it may be impossible to undo it. In other words this IS about an ideological conflict and NOT about different segments of the population voting for different needs the other side doesn't take into account. Lately I've become more aware through discussions with a liberal and a conservative just how impossible it is to bridge the ideological gap. It's scary. I'm grateful to God that it isn't worse than half and half, but it could get worse fast. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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that would put out oxygen a lot sooner than the growing forest would. Oxygen is not the issue. The vast majority of our oxygen comes from the sea. The issue is the carbon capture. Younger plantings do not have the full mature ecosystem that does most of the capture. Planting 10 billion trees would help a bit but will take way too long to become the effective carbon sinks we need today. We need to stop making more carbon, today.
The accusation of "ulterior motives" is offensive. Truth hurts.
Throughout this post you refer to "we" which implies the US ... That's your political sensitivity. "We" refers to all the world. Biggest problems: metric tons CO2/year 2017 source
We are *all* fucking up. Trump is just a symptom of the greater problem of us, we, all of us, not doing anything about it. The Trump situation is worse, however, in that, while the rest of the world (minus China) at least pay lip service to acknowledging there *is* a problem, Trump is so fucking stupid he thinks it's a hoax. He's a fool. China just doesn't care and is poisoning its own people along with the rest of us.
But I'll try not to get too paranoid and come back to the science as I can. When you come back think globally first. Then think USofA, then you. Keep your political BS out of it. This is no longer a political issue but is a survival issue being strangled by global and national politics. We are killing ourselves and we are too wrapped in the politics to do anything about it. That is the biggest challenge we need to get over before we can do anything to remediate our global survival problem.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Keep your political BS out of it. Why? You don't keep yours out of it. Whenever you accuse the "alt-reich" of causing the problem, or Trump, you are not keeping YOUR politics out of it. When you accuse my side of only being concerned about "the bottom line" or having ulterior motives you are not keeping YOUR politics out of it. When you accuse my side of not caring about the future generations or the future of the planet you are not keeping YOUR politics out of it. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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When you accuse my side of not caring about the future generations or the future of the planet you are not keeping YOUR politics out of it. Reality vs politics. Your side, and Trump, Big Carbon, Republicans specifically, apparently, do not care for the future generations or the future of the planet as evidenced by the reality of their actions. Instead of doing what we know must be done they are doing the exact opposite. Evil.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
NO. There are legitimate concerns about the SCIENCE according to many on my side although I don't feel able to judge any of that yet. Since you are clearly devoted to science you arfe going to object to this, but accusing us of other motives is unfair.
And as I keep noticing, legitimate concerns about the politics on the Left too. Really really evil. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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There are legitimate concerns about the SCIENCE according to many on my side ... Their "concerns" about the science are based on their own selfishness, greed and power. Evil. The house is on fire and they question whether the flickering is actually flames or just swampgas reflecting moonlight off of Venus. Evil.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 7.0
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AZPaul writes:
Biggest problems: metric tons CO2/year 2017 source China 10,877.218USofA 5,107.393 Europe 3,548.345 India 2,454.774 Russia 1,764.866 Japan 1,320.776 South Korea 673.324 I'd like to see these in a 2017 per capita format. Wow, India would shine!!! Here is some of it:
1 China 1388232693 10877.218 7.8352988334 2 India 1342512706 2454.774 1.8284921915 3 United States of America 326474013 5107.393 15.644102736 9 Russian Federation 143375006 1764.866 12.3094397639 11 Japan 126045211 1320.776 10.4785893055 So you can see that the worst per capita is the USA, followed by Russia and then Japan,and then China. India is last here. relatively. To get the Biggest Bang For The Buck in planning, you target the most egregious offenders first. Edited by xongsmith, : whoops, cloned formula was wrong for India"I'd rather be an American than a Trump Supporter." - xongsmith, 5.7d
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
It's Trump who is pushing for more coal production.
... when it's the LEFT's politics that allow the real polluters to do their worst with impunity....
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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Faith writes: There are legitimate concerns about the SCIENCE according to many on my side . . . They are lying. There are no legitimate scientific questions about the general conclusions scientists have come to with regard to climate change.
Since you are clearly devoted to science you arfe going to object to this, but accusing us of other motives is unfair. Then how do you explain all of these Republicans lying about the science?
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Yes we do need a more educated population. And what I'd like to see us educated about isn't only science but the history of the Marxist/Communist attempt to destroy America, which has succeeded to such a degree it may be impossible to undo it. In other words this IS about an ideological conflict and NOT about different segments of the population voting for different needs the other side doesn't take into account. Lately I've become more aware through discussions with a liberal and a conservative just how impossible it is to bridge the ideological gap. It's scary. I'm grateful to God that it isn't worse than half and half, but it could get worse fast. The way i see it all have sinned. Just as the real enemy is satan and not the leftists personally.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Please note that I'm talking about an ideology, not about people. Nothing to do with individual sin, all about ideas that can destroy a nation. Marxism contradicts the very essence of what America was founded to be.
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0
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Ive listened to conservatives and liberals comment on this issue. Im convinced that evil promotes division while good advocates unity. Conservatives on the radio promote authoritarianism and division.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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