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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
And still no attempt to address the issues. False insults and any excuse, no matter how flimsy and transparent, to avoid those issues. Pathetic.
The really pathetic thing is that all or almost all Republican Senators are just like you. They lied when they swore to "do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws". Schiff is a politician, but for a politician he's pretty honest. Of course Shapiro didn't provide any examples of Schiff's alleged dishonesty.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Worker threw exception | www.rawstory.com | Cloudflare
quote:Yet to be confirmed, of course, but the reports on Ukraine do keep getting confirmed. ABE Of course. Worker threw exception | www.rawstory.com | Cloudflare Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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This place represents 15, maybe 20% of political beliefs in the U.S., no more.
On impeachment, you're way off. Fox News Poll: Record economy ratings, as half say Senate should remove Trump | Fox News
quote:Fox is fake news, of course.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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It isn't bribery
I think it's extortion. What do you think illegally withholding aid and making an oval office visit contingent on compliance, all for his personal benefit should be called?
if there's any quid pro quo involved it's entirely within normal practice
No, it's normal practice to pressure other countries to further the interests of the United States or implement US policy. Trump's only interest was his campaign.
it's not clear yet that there was any quid pro quo at all since Ukraine promised nothing and still got the aid.
There was a quid pro quo as shown by Trump's phone call and the documented actions of several other people involved. As Sondland said under oath:
quote: Had the whistleblower not blown the gaff, Zelensky would have announced investigations on Fareed Zakaria's show in a few days, and God only knows what would have happened to the aid. BUt that's all irrelevant. Attempted extortion is a crime. Trump did obstruct Congress in a legal an properly conducted investigation.
He's SUPPOSED to be sure corruption gets investigated especially if aid is to be given.
Corruption was investigated. In May the Pentagon officially announced Ukraine had made sufficient progress in fighting corruption to allow aid.
quote:Trump obviously has no interest in corruption, just smearing the Bidens. His aids asked him to discuss corruption in his first call to Zelensky in March. He didn't. His aides asked him to discuss corruption in his infamous second. call. He didn't. He did say he wanted the Bidens investigated. As Schiff said: "If the president was fighting corruption, if he wanted Europeans to pay more, why would he hide it from us?" Schiff said. "Why would he hide it from the Ukrainians? Why would he hide it from the rest of the world? If this was a desire for Europe to pay more, why wouldn't he charge Sondland to go ask Europe for more? Why wouldn't he be proud to tell the Congress of the United States, 'I'm holding up this aid, and I'm holding it up because I'm worried about corruption'?"
Can you answer those questions? "Why wouldn't he? Because of course it wasn't true," Schiff said. Finally, Trump has shown no interest in corruption in any other countries, and the alleged Biden misdeeds have been disproven long before the phone call. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
All BS, of course.
But the point was that a large number of people, nearing a majority, agree with us. Marc9000's "10%, maybe 15%" is spectacularly wrong.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Irony.
Fox News is consistently BS. Fox News Polling is a respected and trustworthy group.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Sondland had direct knowledge.
The others filled in the blanks. Every day more devastating info comes out. Now John Bolton the extremely far right conservative says there was a quid pro and it was to investigate Biden. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Bolton confirms the accusations. As did Sondland.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
You sure love your lies. It's telling that you have no response to new evidence and explanations, just repeating the same old long-debunk horseshit. (I hope you're right by your fainting couch.
There never was a Ukrainian investigation of Hunter Biden. There was an investigation of the Burisma company, which investigation had been set aside befote Joe Biden called for Shokin's ouster. He didn't call for Shokin's ouster because of any investigation, he called for his ouster because he wasn't investigating any of the rampant corruption in Ukraine. Ousting Shokin was the official policy of the United States and several other countries in. Unlike Trump, who called for an investigation of something for which there is not even a scintilla of evidence. He held up aid in violation of the findings of of the Defense and State Department's findings. He would benefit personally from an investigation and the United States would not.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Bolton was there in the room. Sondland was on the phone call. The other witnesses filled in the blanks.
The aid was illegally withheld until the scandal broke. Attempted extortion is a crime, as is obstruction of Congress. See my immediately previous message for the truth about the Bidens Your repetition of lies gets tiresome
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
He did offer the direct evidence that Trump said clearly that he want4ed no quid pro quo.
Yes, Trump said that. Criminals always profess innocence.
quote:Who said that?
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Bolton was in the room, no matter when his claims came out.
But he really should testify under oath.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
What people saw and heard is evidence.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
There was an investigation into Burisma. Nobody says otherwise.
There was no investigation into Hunter Biden. Nothing more to learn there. But plenty more to learn about Trump’s actions. With more coming out every day.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
What people saw is not hearsay. Neither is what people heard if they can adequately substantiate it.
Ready for this? Hearsay evidence is not prohibited in impeachment or trial. Federal rules of evidence do not apply. The House has the sole power of impeachment, the Senate has the sole power of trial. The only rules are the ones they create. The House or Senate can decide to disallow hearsay, but they haven't.
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