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Topic: Did Jesus Exist? by Bart Ehrman
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 211 of 563 (915434)
02-13-2024 4:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 209 by PaulK
02-13-2024 4:00 PM
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what is the simple question? Trust me you are not embarrassing me.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Percy
Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: 12-23-2000 Member Rating: 5.4
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Message 212 of 563 (915435)
02-13-2024 4:07 PM
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Reply to: Message 189 by PaulK
02-13-2024 2:51 PM
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You stating what you believe sensible is not a discussion. You're precluding discussion by ruling a certain position to not be sensible. Discussion can't begin until you give up that position. --Percy
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17828 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 2.5
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What points?
All I see are assertions.
Then you are not reading.
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17828 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 2.5
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what is the simple question? Trust me you are not embarrassing me.
Message 199
I’ll make it simple for you. Do you mean that his given name has to be “Jesus” - that exact name - or do you allow latitude for the vagaries of transliteration?
And since that is all I wrote in that message and you replied to that message you hardly have a good excuse for missing it.
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17828 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 2.5
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Message 215 of 563 (915438)
02-13-2024 4:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 212 by Percy
02-13-2024 4:07 PM
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You stating what you believe sensible is not a discussion.
Indeed it isn’t a discussion because you aren’t doing your part. If you feel that it is sensible to conclude that Jesus did not exist solely because we do not know when and where he was born then explain why you consider it sensible. So long as you don’t there is no discussion solely because you refuse to discuss it.
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You're precluding discussion by ruling a certain position to not be sensible
The position that I consider to be “not sensible” is the position that we can conclude that Jesus didn’t exist sole because we don’t know where or when he was born. And the reason is that those are inadequate as evidence. There are plenty of obscure figures in history.
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Discussion can't begin until you give up that position.
Obviously it can. You can try to explain why I am wrong. But you don’t.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 216 of 563 (915439)
02-13-2024 4:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 214 by PaulK
02-13-2024 4:17 PM
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I answered that. Did you not understand my answer? In what way is my answer not clear?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 217 of 563 (915440)
02-13-2024 4:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 213 by PaulK
02-13-2024 4:14 PM
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I just pulled up all your posts. I do not see any valid points, just "what if" statements and musings. If you made any points I fail to see what they are. You certainly made no points in replies to me.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17828 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 2.5
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I answered that. Did you not understand my answer? In what way is my answer not clear?
So you would accept “Ralph”as being the same name as “Jesus” ? Because that is not at all clear, but it’s the only way I can see that you have answered.
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PaulK
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If you can’t see the points then repeating them is hardly going to help, is it?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 220 of 563 (915443)
02-13-2024 4:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 218 by PaulK
02-13-2024 4:32 PM
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My answer seems quite clear and I even clarified my point as you seem unable to understand it.
Me writes: No. His name could have been Ralph. My point is how do we decide someone was the basis of Jesus if he has none of the characteristics of Jesus.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 221 of 563 (915444)
02-13-2024 4:44 PM
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Reply to: Message 219 by PaulK
02-13-2024 4:33 PM
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Or if you wanted an honest discussion, you could reiterate what the points are that you feel you presented. Then again that would take honesty and integrity.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17828 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 2.5
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My answer seems quite clear and I even clarified my point as you seem unable to understand it.
So, you refuse to answer. That is the only clear reading.
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PaulK
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Or if you wanted an honest discussion, you could reiterate what the points are that you feel you presented. Then again that would take honesty and integrity.
Says the guy who refuses to answer a simple question and tries to pretend that he did. Since you obviously don’t intend to discuss with honesty and integrity why should I waste my time trying?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 224 of 563 (915448)
02-13-2024 4:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 222 by PaulK
02-13-2024 4:50 PM
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ok I am confused. You obviously do not want an honest discussion. I obviously have no idea why my answer is not adequate. In an honest debate, it would be incumbent upon you to explain why my answer was inadequate. Good day sir! If you want an honest, adult discussion on the subject I am willing. Until then, Good day sir!
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17828 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 2.5
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ok I am confused. You obviously do not want an honest discussion. I obviously have no idea why my answer is not adequate. In an honest debate, it would be incumbent upon you to explain why my answer was inadequate.
It’s not an answer because it doesn’t answer the question. The question is what names will you accept for being “called `Jesus” ? Will you will only accept “Jesus” Will you accept some other names as equivalent to “Jesus`’ because different languages and no less than three different alphabets are involved? Or are there other names you will accept? Your so-called answer certainly doesn’t say.
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