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Author | Topic: Did Jesus Exist? by Bart Ehrman | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Obviously better than yours
So none. Therefore, not better than mine. I actually have training in historical research. Damn, I have a relevant Masters. I know it is not really relevant to this discussion, but as you are resorting to personal attacks I guess I should defend myself.Oh yeah I forgot. I did actual field work at an archaelogical dig in Israel. As you say I have no idea what I am talking about. It just slipped my mind. Tel Gerisa - Wikipedia So Paul does not say what he knows is by revelation alone? Do you want to argue about the definition if apocryphal? Maybe you have a different definition from accepted English.What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
So you want to argue by definition?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
From your source
quote:So you are going to resort to equivocation? What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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It seems that you are the one cherry-picking and expecting others to agree with your choices. Wikipedia expands in the definition you offer I chose the word and I get to choose which of its meanings I express. I don't give a flyin flip what other definitions fit YOUR narrative. Keep your self-serving alternate definitions away from my syntax.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Percy,
Percy writes: certainly no consensus among Jesus scholars about the historical Jesus. How long has it been since you checked on a consensus among Jesus scholars? Just wondering. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Im guessing that the head honcho at that archeological dig was an atheist. Or a secular humanist like yourself who never had his mind "tainted" by this pesky virus known as Christianity.
RC Sproul actually went to school. He never dishonestly acquired diplomas and degrees as did Zacharias. For some reason you distrust all professing apologists...or am I just assuming?
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7
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To whom it may concern!
You guys seem to use Wikipedia a lot I found this there: Historical Jesus - Wikipedia
quote: God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." |
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Why would you think that? The dig was run by Tel Aviv University. I assume most of them were Jewish. Anson Rainey was an evangelical that converted to Judaism. Is that worse? Why would you think this is relevant? Why would you even ask such a thing? That is right, you are nothing but an ignorant, christian, troll.
RC Sproul actually went to school. He never dishonestly acquired diplomas and degrees as did Zacharias. For some reason you distrust all professing apologists...or am I just assuming?
Can you stay on topic? How is this relevant.I have already shown that Sproul's Ph.D is from an unaccredited diploma mill. What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
quote: I’m pretty sure that unthinking denialism is not accepted as a valid method of historical research.
quote: That’s where he got his teachings. It’s certainly not where he gets his ideas about the things he personally did. But you’re throwing those out, too.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
It is not unthinking denialism. It is looking at the lack of evidence and coming to a conclusion. There is no evidence for Mithra, but there are many texts about him. Should we assume he was historical too. Or how about Attis?
Where does Paul talk about achieving knowledge about Jesus from other people? Why does he know nothing about the Gospels or the tales told in them?What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
quote: It certainly is.
quote: I don’t think that pretending that the evidence doesn’t exist counts as looking at it.
quote: Who says that he needs to? I mean I invoked Paul’s Epistles as evidence that Christianity preceded Paul’s conversion - and that he identified James as Jesus’ brother. Neither of these require him to have much knowledge of Jesus, nor would they be counted in the teachings he got from revelation.
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I am unimpressed with a guy who simply has an accredited degree if they show no common sense. You refused to even listen to Sproul but simply googled his credentials, so you have not examined all of the evidence that he offers.
Bart Ehrman once was a born again evangelical, later an Episcopal, and currently an Agnostic Atheist. I respect him for at least thinking and examinng both sides of the coin, which you seem to refuse to do. You yourself told me that you have never really been a believer, so how can you criticize them? One size does not fit all.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
I am unimpressed with a guy who simply has an accredited degree if they show no common sense. You refused to even listen to Sproul but simply googled his credentials, so you have not examined all of the evidence that he offers.
So there is no chance of you staying on topic is there. Now personal attacks. A Christian apologist and minister is not going to convince me of anything. I can and have read multiple versions of the Bible. I have even read it in Spanish. They vary wildly and I do not need someone telling me what the words mean. He can provide no evidence just apologetics. Ok done with your off topic bullshit. The rest is just personal attacks and theist bullshit so ignoring.What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
None of the evidence you think you have produced stands up to historical enquiry. There is no one else that would be considered historical with this utter lack of evidence. Then again you seem to be the expert on historical research and the historical method,
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
quote: More mindless denialism. If that’s your idea of “historical enquiry” you have a problem.
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