What do you think? (Re: animated child pornography)

Hello all,
I sometimes get into some real doozie discussions and thought I'd share a recent one, forgive me if this has been discussed.
With computer animation finally getting closer and closer to realism eventually the laws concerning child pornography are going to have to deal with pediphiles seeking computer animation child pornography. Once the line has been crossed someday as to is it live or is it Memorex how will law enforcement be able to deal with this situation? Is there a crime if there is no victim? Or is there a crime on the basis and nature of the material? What do think? I think it is criminal but I am old fashion that way.{Edit: Added the "(Re: animated child pornography)" to the topic title - Adminnemooseus}[This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 03-09-2004]

This is a dilemma. I hate to think "kiddie cartoons" would be legal, but as you said would it reduce actual cases of child molestation? Would kiddie cartoons be enough or would the "real thing" still have a following? I think a ban on real and simulated would be the easiest to enforce.

Oh no, I dont mean that 'cartoon' looking stuff, I mean that photo quality realism computer state of the art stuff. I mean stuff so real you dont know it is animation... which is comming down the pike. Which brings me to another question what are legit actors going to do when computers render theyre expensive butts obsolete. LOL!!

Mr. Holmes,
I appreciate the points you have made in your well thought out post. However, studies and research as to the effects of regulating pornography of this nature is nearly impossibe since the subject matter is illegal and the unavailability of pediphiles to come forward for interview in enough numbers to make any useful conclusions. I am against censorship to a point. But I remember seeing a documentry on serial murderers who commit sexual crimes that suggested that pornography was a factor in feeding the fantasys of these deviants. The pornography was not the cause of they're psycotic behavior but access to more explicit scenarios of women being violently abused and sexually molested may have induced them to seek more stimulation. I think it has been shown that violent games and viewing material has an impact on violence in America. And I believe the pendelum is going to start swinging the other way in regards to censorship. And although we are not talking about violence it stands to reason that if realistic images of child porn are not banned then society is making a statement that it is acceptable. I do not know what our future holds in regards to this issue but I for one will support a ban on this type of material in any form in this country for the mere fact that it is offensive to me. And although I know it is just my personal opinion and has no bearing on the rest of the world as a whole I draw the line there.
Thanks for your comments Holmes I appreciate you openess and honesty.

As always Mr. Holmes a well thought out and eloquent post but chalk full of problems..ok not so. Just foolin. You make some excellent points to consider. I do not agree though that the legalization of the content we are discussing would not reflect acceptance of pedophillic behavior of people seeking sexual stimulation by viewing children participate in sexual acts. I was unaware of the studys you have mentioned and will look into it only to satisfiy my own curiousity. This is a very sensitive issue to me because of my Christian background I am not as insusient about pedophillia in any form. You mention that pedophilla is legal in parts of the USA, I guess AOC laws do in fact vary but I am less likely to get alarmed if a 13 year old girl is married with parental consent than I would be for a middle aged man to commit henious acts with a 10 year old or younger victim. I know it is splitting straws as to how old is to young and each state gets it's say. I am also aware that the issue changes with the times. I disagree with you when you say that "cultral taste regarding right and wrong are NOT adequate to define exploitation and harm." I am no lawyer but if cutting the clitoris is legal in Africa and is cultrally acceptable I still feel the woman was exploited and harmed. Protitution is legal in Nevada, but that does not mean that some of those females are not exploited or harmed. But this is getting off topic...Computer generated realistic scenarios of children commiting sexual acts. I applaud your open mind. Live and let live. To each his own. But is it not a citizens responsibility to draw a line somewhere? Your thoughts?

Smoke and mirrors Holmes, your silver tounge can make even child pornography sound acceptable LOL. If you are not a lawyer you are missing your calling. I do not bye into your argument fully but can see the reason and logic behind your thoughts and agree on some points you have made. Especially concerning zero tolerance issues and draconian measures and blanket laws. Anytime these get passed freedom suffers. As far as legalizing prostitution, I am all for it; not because I am a consumer of it mind you but it is a victimless crime a women and her wares and a consumer with money. Capitalism at its best. It has always struck me as hypocritical of our Country that one state could legalize it and others not. Porn, I have absolutely no concerns or problems with "of age" consumers or participants. I can be naive and admit I am becoming more and more liberal as I get older..I will be turning 40 this year YIKES!! I appreciate your comments and time in answering my post. Even though I know you have a much more in depth grasp of this topic I think I envy your ability to intellectualize the subject. Kudos. It takes true courage to discuss an issue such as this in such candor. Or as we say here in Tejas "Cohones" I wish I could run across more folks like the ones on these boards I will consider this thread ajourned.

Violence study
Canadas violent crime rate (mainly gang related) is growing considerably and Great Britain in the last few years has had in incredible increase in violent crime as well. The US Criminal justice stats of 1999 state gun ownership in 1993 {51%} in 1997 42% and in 1999 (36%) there seems to be a reduction in the amount of home gun ownership and yet violent crime still prevades our country as well. I got the violent crime information from Canada by typing a search as well as for Great Britain, but my links wont work. The articles I read seemed to relay the fact that gun control is not a cure since Canada has very strict registration laws as does GB. I know this is off topic but I thought it polite to answer.