In the thread
Message 182 the assertion was made by DevineBeginning that the Grand Canyon being carved out in a matter of years rather than over a longer period of time.
In message 182 DevineBeginning stated:
So why is it that the Grand Canyon, that for centuries was believed to be carved out over millions of years is now being shown to have been created in a matter of years? This was all over the news about a decade ago.
To which I (Anglagard) replied in message 187:
I challenge your statement that such disinformation about the Grand Canyon being carved out in a "matter of years" was "all over the news." I have followed the news for decades, be it science, politics, or religion, from multiple worldwide sources quite closely as part of my job. I would certainly have remembered any such nonsense being promoted that would overthrow the entire field of geoscience being "all over the news." Be prepared to defend this assertion with actual evidence.
In message 188 DevineBeginning replied:
I will when you provide evidence for all you nonsense you buffoon!!!
Here is my evidence that such a claim was not all over the news. Using the search terms "Grand Canyon" and Creationism," which appered to create less clutter and more relevant hits than other combinations, here are the database search results:
EBSCO Academic Search Premier
ASP consists of 4,650 serials of which over 100 are full-text from before 1975. Over 80% is full text from ten years ago.
New York Times (NYT) 10/6/05 - Discusses age evidence put forth from both sides.
New Internationalist Jan/Feb 05 - short letter to editor (not relevant)
NYT 10/26/04 - about book
Grand Canyon: A Different View which is a short creationist tome, the controversy of it being sold out of the science section of the GC Park bookstore, and its subsequent removal to the devotional section.
Humanist Mar/Apr 04 - about book controversy
Parks and Recreation - about book controversy and removal of religious plaques from GC Park.
Vanderbilt Television News Archives
Covers US over 30,000 television newscasts from ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and PBS back to 1968. This archive is publicly available, registration required. See
Home | Vanderbilt Television News Archive
Only one hit: CBS Evening News on 2/27/04 - about book controversy
Newspaper Source
Covers 30 US and international newspapers along with 200 US regional newspapers.
NYT 10/6/05
NYT 10/26/04
As covered above.
InfoTrac Custom Newspapers
NYT 10/6/05
NYT 11/2/04 - short letter to editor
NYT 10/26/04
Seattle Times 1/9/04 - About book controversy
Daily Telegraph 4/16/04 - short letter to editor
While this database presently covers hundreds of newspapers, it only has ten year old or older archives from the following (all US unless otherwise noted):
Arizona Daily Star
Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Austin American-Statesman
Buffalo News
Capital Times
Christian Science Monitor
Cincinnati Post
Daily Herald
Daily Mail (London)
Daily news
Daily Record (Glasgow)
Denver Post
Economist
El Norte (Mexico City)
Evening Times (Glasgow)
Florida Times Union
Fresno Bee
Gazette
Grand Rapids Press
Guardian (London)
Houston Chronicle
Independent (London)
International Herald Tribune
Kentucky Post
Mirror (London)
New York Times
News & Record
Observer (London)
People (London)
Plain Dealer
Post Standard
Record
Reforma (Mexico City)
Roanoke Times
San Francisco Chronicle
Sarasota Herald Tribune
Seattle Post-Intelligencer
Seattle Times
St. Louis Post-Dispatch
Star Tribune
Star-Ledger
Sunday Mail (Glasgow)
Times (London)
Virginian Post
Wshington Times
Wisconsin State Journal
Out of all these sources there is
ONE article that may fit your description since it discusses evidence (or supposed evidence) for each position, the 10/6/05 NYT article. Notice this was a little over a year ago and therefore does not fit the description of "all over the news ten years ago."
Despite being labelled a "buffon," I believe I have effectively presented evidence for my assertion there was no coverage about the Grand Canyon being carved out in a few years among any major news outlets some ten years ago. My challenge is for DevineBeginning or anyone else to provide evidence to the contrary, or in one case, retract or let their reputation concerning personal integrity suffer the consequences.
Science please as it is about evidence concerning a scientific topic.
Edited by anglagard, : misplaced phrase correction
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