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Author Topic:   Eternal and Forever: Unending or Just a Very Long Time?
purpledawn
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Message 1 of 6 (316083)
05-29-2006 7:50 PM


I would like to take an analytical look at the meanings of the Hebrew word "olam" and the Greek word "aion/aionios" and whether they were actually used by the authors in the Bible to mean "without end" at the time they were written and in the context of their individual books.
The article entitled "Forever and Ever"--A Poor Translation made an interesting presentation that the words translated as "forever and ever" don't really present the meaning of "without end."
So can a word that means an age which has an end:
1 Corinthians 10:11
Now these things happened to them as an example , and they were written for our instruction, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.
also be used to mean a time without end?
Revelation 22:5
And there will no longer be any night; and they will not have need of the light of a lamp nor the light of the sun, because the Lord God will illumine them; and they will reign forever and ever.
Also in this article entitled Olam/Aion/Aionian/Aionias (by Mike Burke), Burke and others suggest that the usage of olam/aionios may deal more with quality than duration.
This verse gives the impression of quality and not unending.
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. (1 John 3:15.)
I don't read Hebrew or Greek, so any help in that department is greatly appreciated. I realize that given the various styles of writing in the Bible and the large expanse of time, it is unreasonable to assume that words weren't used creatively or that the meanings couldn't have changed over time.
I look forward to learning something new.
This discussion is not about faith or belief.
It is analytical look at the words that are translated as eternal and forever.
Edited by purpledawn, : Reworked OP

"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

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Message 2 of 6 (316124)
05-29-2006 11:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by purpledawn
05-29-2006 7:50 PM


Looking over the forums and noting that you do relate this to the Bible, PD, Faith and Belief looks to me to be the most appropriate forum for this. What forum did you have in mind?
Once we figure this out, I will be happy to promote this topic. Do you think you need all this material in you OP, or could some of it be interjected later? If you think it would be necessary, I will promote it as stated. I believe the concensus is to keep the OP as concise and to the point as possible.

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purpledawn
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Message 3 of 6 (316190)
05-30-2006 7:00 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by AdminBuzsaw
05-29-2006 11:29 PM


Reworked OP
I reworked the OP.
Bible Study or The Bible: Accuracy and Inerrancy would be appropriate forums.
This is not a faith or belief discussion.
Thanks

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Message 4 of 6 (316358)
05-30-2006 5:37 PM
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05-30-2006 7:00 AM


Re: Reworked OP
Thanks PD. I'll be happy to promote your topic. My apologies for the delay. As a matter of fact I forgot to finish my job.

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Message 5 of 6 (316360)
05-30-2006 5:38 PM


Thread moved here from the Proposed New Topics forum.
Hang in there. I missed a step and am fixing it.
Edited by AdminBuzsaw, : No reason given.

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05-30-2006 5:49 PM


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