Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9164 total)
2 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,914 Year: 4,171/9,624 Month: 1,042/974 Week: 1/368 Day: 1/11 Hour: 0/0


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Salvation free Gift?
dattaswami 
Inactive Member


Message 1 of 5 (283163)
02-01-2006 12:12 PM


A Christian devotee, Anil Antony, asked Me some questions just now. He asked whether the salvation is a free gift of God and not based on the work. This is the climax of foolishness. Even in the worldly affairs, a selection board sits and filters the deserving candidate to give the gift. If any body in this world gives a free gift without seeing the deserving qualifications, people will call him as a full mad person. Do you treat God as mad person, who is wiser than the wisest in this world? Jesus asked His devotees to go to villages and propagate His knowledge. Even today the Christian fathers wander all over the earth and they are propagating the diving knowledge by constant lecturers. Is this not work? If salvation is a free gift why should they work? How much divine work Jesus carried on? In Hinduism you can support free gift by saying that a soul might have done lot of good work in the previous birth and the gift may appear as free gift because the soul did not perform any good work in this birth. But Christianity does not believe the re-birth and therefore such possibility of explanation is also ruled out here.
His another question is that Christianity encourages the praise and prayer of the Lord for certain materialistic benefits. He asks whether such prayer is correct. The answer is that such a stage is not incorrect but it is a lower stage. The LKG class is the beginning of school education. You cannot say that LKG is class is not correct. It is correct but it is lowest. The first step is true but is the lowest step existing on the ground. If you take the case of Jesus, He is in the highest step. He also praised and prayed the Lord but never asked anything for himself. He asked any thing only for the propagation of the fame of the Lord. The lowest step is certainly better than the pit, which is lower than the ground. Thus the beginner is certainly better than the atheist, who does not believe God at all. Even though the beginner is selfish, at least he believes the existence of God.
At Thy Lotus Feet
Anil Antony
Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

Replies to this message:
 Message 2 by AdminWounded, posted 02-01-2006 12:31 PM dattaswami has not replied
 Message 5 by AdminPhat, posted 02-02-2006 10:48 AM dattaswami has not replied

AdminWounded
Inactive Member


Message 2 of 5 (283171)
02-01-2006 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by dattaswami
02-01-2006 12:12 PM


Are you Anil Antony or someone else? Are you posting someone elses opinions/essays or are these your own?
Again this seems more in the nature of a sermon or testification than of a proposal of a topic for discussion.
TTFN,
AW

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by dattaswami, posted 02-01-2006 12:12 PM dattaswami has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 3 by AdminJar, posted 02-01-2006 12:53 PM AdminWounded has not replied

AdminJar
Inactive Member


Message 3 of 5 (283176)
02-01-2006 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by AdminWounded
02-01-2006 12:31 PM


You should know that this identical material is being spammed all over the net. If you do a google search on Anil Antony you can find dozens of examples of the very same material. In addition, the general pattern looking at the other sites is of a hit-n-run attack where material is posted but no discussions from the originator follows.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 2 by AdminWounded, posted 02-01-2006 12:31 PM AdminWounded has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 4 by dattaswami, posted 02-01-2006 2:01 PM AdminJar has not replied

dattaswami 
Inactive Member


Message 4 of 5 (283191)
02-01-2006 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by AdminJar
02-01-2006 12:53 PM


RE;
AdminJar;
As a part of debate we a definitely posting this article in other forums also. It is not a spam as you think and we are not hit and run. This topic is very well worth a true dicussion. I have come up with my points. And it is upto others to come up with their point against or favouring so that we can involve in a meaningful debate which lead to an ultimate conclusion. It is not spam

This message is a reply to:
 Message 3 by AdminJar, posted 02-01-2006 12:53 PM AdminJar has not replied

AdminPhat
Inactive Member


Message 5 of 5 (283386)
02-02-2006 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by dattaswami
02-01-2006 12:12 PM


This one is a bit better...
But for now, you may not start any more topics. Any discussion that you have can be brought up in your world religions topic.
This message has been edited by AdminPhat, 02-02-2006 08:51 AM


Comments on moderation procedures (or wish to respond to admin messages)? - Go to:
  • General discussion of moderation procedures
  • Thread Reopen Requests
  • Considerations of topic promotions from the "Proposed New Topics" forum
    New Members: to get an understanding of what makes great posts, check out:
  • "Post of the Month" Forum
  • "Columnist's Corner" Forum
    See also Forum Guidelines, Style Guides for EvC, and Assistance w/ Forum Formatting


  • This message is a reply to:
     Message 1 by dattaswami, posted 02-01-2006 12:12 PM dattaswami has not replied

    Newer Topic | Older Topic
    Jump to:


    Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

    ™ Version 4.2
    Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024