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Author Topic:   Problems with God and Freewill.
Critical Rationalist
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Message 1 of 4 (461227)
03-23-2008 6:25 PM


This is the best way I could think of structuring this idea. It’s a conversation between Ken, a believer in god, and Albert, an atheist; which deals with the idea of freewill.
Ken: Have you heard about God, he is the creator, omnipotent, omniscient and perfectly good.
Albert: Yes I have, but if he is all those things why is there evil in the world?
Ken: What do you mean?
Albert: Well, if he is omniscient then he knows how to stop evil, if he is omnipotent he has the power to stop evil and if he is perfectly good then he has an obligation to stop evil.
Ken: Well yes, but since he is perfectly good he must also not limit our freewill, if he eliminated evil he would stop us from being able to do things, so then he would have limited our freewill.
Albert: Well Ken, besides the fact that, that’s somewhat of a contradiction in its self, saying that God is all powerful and all knowing but for instance he can’t figure out how to, or can’t make a world where there is freewill but no evil. Besides that, there are other problems with your notion: we don’t really have freewill, for example I can’t do all things which I want to do: I can’t fly, I can’t turn invisible, I can’t even do thing’s which other men can do, lift 90 kilos or run 100 meters in 10 seconds. If God wanted us to be truly happy and with true freewill wouldn’t God make us well exactly like God?
Ok this is the part where I’m stuck what does Ken say? How do all the theists out there respond to this?
Edited by Critical Rationalist, : No reason given.

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Critical Rationalist
Member (Idle past 5875 days)
Posts: 17
From: Australia
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Message 2 of 4 (461343)
03-24-2008 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Critical Rationalist
03-23-2008 6:25 PM


What do you have to do to get your topic promoted around here?

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03-24-2008 7:40 PM
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03-24-2008 5:01 PM


Critical Rationalist writes:
What do you have to do to get your topic promoted around here?
I looked at it and hoped another moderator would comment. If that doesn't happen, I'll give you some feedback sometime tomorrow.

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03-25-2008 10:29 PM
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03-24-2008 5:01 PM


Is this a moderator test?
The obvious moderator question would be "What is your personal response?" How and to what degree do you agree or disagree with what "Albert" said?
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