Is the enigma of a scientific refutation of the Theory of Evolution gone or has it just been lost from this forum? It seems to me that the arguments against evolution have ironically evolved to be nothing more than a glimmer of their past amusement. All you have to do is look at what our creationist contingent is both saying and not saying.
We have 1 hardliner who only battles with a
theological argument completely abandoning any scientific challenge to evolution. Any challenge to this basis for argument is met with cries of unfairness for not accepting their foundation and premises.
We have another who has for all practical purposes isolated the discussion to
social aspects of the theory claiming that past mistakes is indicative of a trend in science to be at best careless or at worst a conspiracy. (I probably would have never learned how to spell the name Haeckel otherwise)
Except for very recently we have had little in the way of challenges to the age of the earth.
We have one newbie who is trotting out very dusty ideas for flood mechanics.
We have one more recently paroled who believes the mere presence of C14 means that all other dating is due to apparent age and who seems to have no problem calling the God of creation a liar.
Add in the drive byes and really what else do you have except a political forum with a few tired, old, and useless arguments for ID and YECism lingering around in some modified form to allow for maximum self-delusion.
The biggest kicker for me though is that this cannot be blamed on the lack of new stuff to talk about and defend. Here the Dover trial is over and the manuscripts are freely available and the
complete lack of interest from the ID side of the house is deafening!
Is no IDer up to the challenge of defending the testimony of their poster children in a situation where they actually have to answer hard questions about their supposed "theory"?
Is no Christian IDer or YECer up to the task of defending these board members who under their oath and Christian values of bearing no false witness lied up on the stand for God's sake?
Is there no one left except the
niche few with their blanked of abstractness to hide the fact that they no longer have an argument?
Or is this just a product of this forum on this little corner of the internet? If so why and is EvC doomed to a slow heat death of triviality?
Disclaimer:
I don't want this to descend into personal attacks on the posters I referenced for the obvious reasons. I believe it is perfectly valid and within the acceptable realm of discussion to talk about the state of the ID/YEC arguments as a while without harping on or degrading one individual's tendencies. While some discussion of a style of argument of a particular poster may be warranted there seems to be a fine line between what is acceptable in this discussion and what is just plain bashing.
I don't want this thread to segue into a discussion of the trial although I would absolutely love for an IDer to rise to the challenge and join one of the existing threads or start a new thread on the trial to address some of the standing criticisms.
Soc. Issues in EvC please!
This message has been edited by Jazzns, 12-20-2005 08:42 PM
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