What If...?

What if the universe had no Creator Force ( ie "GOD" ) that created it all and therefor there was no factual basis (Im not claiming this IS SO, Im using it to paint a particular & very specific Hypothetical ok ) for "inspired" or "precodified by GOD" morals/ethics/efficient reasons for doing anything, AND yet Humankind can be factually shown to exhibit the qualities of morals/ethics/efficient reasons for doing anything, THEN could a logical argument (based on the premise of a "GODLESS" reality) be stated in such a way that Humankind (at that scale/level of factuality) is in a more Noble moral state THAN if the factual reality was that "GOD created Humankind and set the moral laws for us to follow"? (I qualify more Noble used above in the sence that we,HUMANKIND, it seems if my hypothetical did in fact exist AS
Reality NOW, Then we came up with it ourselves and eventhough I try to be as dispassionate about everything as possible, this concept brings my EGO a great feeling of pride and selfworth that seems to me to be without hubris, but is still subjective so i seek peer review to clarify ok )

This may be a different question (I really cant tell for sure) but does not seem the basis for a new thread. Maybe it might be a reply in one of the existing threads such as this one.Anyway, welcome to EvC. Pull up a stump and set a spell.Also if you were having problems getting into chat, make sure you have a recent version of java installed and that you open the applet in a seperate window. That usually works best.

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No Problems AdminJar . your link was very helpful and yes I will try asking my question there . also thank you very much for welcoming me. Your Peer review of my post is very much appreciated .

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Become totally disillusioned & see everything for real.

The only part of that that I followed was the first bit. It seems almost the opposite of another the thread: The Results are in...There is a God! - What now?, and my first suggestion would be to change the title. Perhaps, in line with the other thread change it to The Results are in...There isn't a God! - What now? (which I believe was originally titled What if? as well), though on second thoughts that might not be appropriate given where I think you might want to take the discussion.Then, might I suggest you clear the rest up a little? Its kind of confusing to follow a sequence of unexplained ideas with lots of obliques/forward slashes/delimiters, capitals (entire WORDS), fused sentences, heavy reliance on parenthesis and no white space.Here is my attempt to understand your Proposed topic: You want to explore the consequences of a Godless universe. More specifically, you want to explore what reasons humanity might have for developing ethics (etc), and whether or not this is a more glorious (or noble) state of affairs for us all.Is that about right? If I am at least close, might I suggest you also look to Morality and Subjectivity as well as the thread referenced above and see if your points might be better raised there. If you feel that this topic is unique enough to deserve its own thread then come back, change the title and clarify the first post a little lot!I just noticed that AdminJar has just posted a similar response moments before I had chance to post this: I agree with him, it might be easier to find an existing thread to discuss your ideas than to spend time refining a new opening post.I didn't notice that you had replied to AdminJar before I had a chance to post this Take care and enjoy the boards!This message has been edited by AdminModulous, Mon, 17-April-2006 10:45 PM

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Topic Not Promoted due to the availability of an existing thread.