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Jon Inactive Member |
(3) The whole point of scientific inquiry is ultimately to somehow better humanity as a whole. Saith who?
What's the point of exploring space if by the time you get back to Earth it will already be tens of thousands of years in the future? All those on Earth will be immortally awaiting the return home, with cash in hand as reimburesement for the souvenirs bought.
Otherwise, we'd end up with next to nothing to show for all the resources and efforts dumbed into the project. Immortality is "nothing to show"? C'mon, man... the only limit here is that humans have to die. If we didn't have to die, we'd be unlimited in what we could achieve. Mortality is the biggest threat to all life”ever. Jon
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Taz Member (Idle past 3320 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Jon writes:
Ok, you figure out how to beat the Hayflick limit Mortality is the biggest threat to all life”ever. Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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Damouse Member (Idle past 4934 days) Posts: 215 From: Brookfield, Wisconsin Joined: |
Ok, you figure out how to beat the Hayflick limit Go cyborg? Digitize all of our thoughts?Its really not all that deep, all we have left is understanding how most of the brain works.... Hey, we're immortal, things get better. On the other hand, that would be quite the hassle to administer and regulate for plenty of reasons. This statement is false. Yeah so i lurk more than i post, thats why my posts are so low for two year's worth of membership. So sue me.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3320 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Damouse writes:
Cybernetic lifeforms in theory cannot live without their biological components. These biological components are made of living cells, thus are subject to the Hayflick limit.
Go cyborg? Digitize all of our thoughts?
Ok, you come up with a way we could translate the chemical language that makes up our mind into binary.
Its really not all that deep, all we have left is understanding how most of the brain works....
Easier said than done. The concept is fairly simple, like cold fusion. And like cold fusion, it's not so simple when you actually try to apply it in the real world.
Hey, we're immortal, things get better.
Can you even imagine the moral implications of immortality? Right now, I'm having enough trouble waiting for people like Nem_Jug, Buzsaw, and Phat to die of old age so we could recognize more human rights as a society. Can you imagine these guys living forever while holding on dearly to their bigotry for all of eternity? I'd rather move to another planet...
On the other hand, that would be quite the hassle to administer and regulate for plenty of reasons.
Well, one good thing that could potentially come out of this is we could finally outnumber the chinese for once... Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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Damouse Member (Idle past 4934 days) Posts: 215 From: Brookfield, Wisconsin Joined: |
I cant for the life of me remember what scienctist first proposed this mind experiment, but there you go It went something like:
Assume that technology has proficiant to the point where the brain no longer holds any mystery. Medical science indeed perfects a microscopic artificial neuron that can replace the function of a human neuron perfectly. These neurons can replace human neurons in little enough time so that no damage is done and indeed, its hard to tell the switch has occured. In an experimental patiant, one neuron replaces a biological one with no adverse side effects. DOes the patients consciousness now lie inside the neuron or still inside his biological brain? Now if every single cell were replaced with an artificial cell, where would the patients consciousness now lie? The patient would be, quite literally, no longer biological At the time i read it it struck me as kind of neat.
Damouse writes:
Yeah this was sarcastic, sorry i forgot the /sarcasm clause.
Its really not all that deep, all we have left is understanding how most of the brain works.... Ok, you come up with a way we could translate the chemical language that makes up our mind into binary.
If i had the answers we wouldnt have any questions anymore. We may or may not hit the technological level where these things are feasible; hey my moneys on eventually rather than never.
Can you even imagine the moral implications of immortality? Right now, I'm having enough trouble waiting for people like Nem_Jug, Buzsaw, and Phat to die of old age so we could recognize more human rights as a society. Can you imagine these guys living forever while holding on dearly to their bigotry for all of eternity? I'd rather move to another planet... Thanks for the credit that i had thought about this before i posted such a sweeping, broad statement. Yes Taz, i can imagine it and i still think it would be better rather than worse. Assuming the technology improved to the point where overpopulation wasnt an issue, whats the point in not going for eternity? Youre going to wait for all the idiots to wean themselves out of the system? We will NEVER lose the bigots and shortsighted folks imo, ever. But like the carcinogen/brocoli example, quite a bit more good would be served than evil feuled. Man taz, i disagree with plenty of folks but i dont wish them death. In this situation, Humanity above all. Besides, wed still lose a percentage to unnatural death causes. Heres to hoping that a few hundred years of eternity teaches the fools something. Ironically, what would happen to religion? With no more afterlife the big shining beacon of hope for most religions moves helluva ways away. This statement is false. Yeah so i lurk more than i post, thats why my posts are so low for two year's worth of membership. So sue me.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3320 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Damouse writes:
As a matter of fact, I have asked the following question a few times before. I cant for the life of me remember what scienctist first proposed this mind experiment, but there you go It went something like:
Is it murder if you could somehow kill the consciousness of a person and create another one in its place? According to Nem_Jug's wife (a lovely lady I might add), it's not murder because murder only involves the biological death of a person and not the mental death. With this said, as soon as they figure out a way to do this, I will seak out N_J and wipe out his consciousness and make a copy of my own inside his brain
Youre going to wait for all the idiots to wean themselves out of the system?
Well, I think something like not wearing seatbelts will take care of the idiots. The bigots are harder to get rid of. They walk among us. They hold professional jobs. They vote. They are almost indistinquishable from the rest of us. Furthermore, they tend to breed more prodigiously than we do.
We will NEVER lose the bigots and shortsighted folks imo, ever.
In the past, I have proposed a few drastic measures to rid ourselves of the bigots and shortsighted folks once and for all. The most drastic of these plans involves replacing everyone's mind with a copy of my own.
Man taz, i disagree with plenty of folks but i dont wish them death.
Huh? They're going to die of old age whether I wish them die of old age or not. The only difference between you and me about their ultimate demise is I'm counting every day, every hour, every minute until they die of old age.
Heres to hoping that a few hundred years of eternity teaches the fools something.
See, you would think that. But apparently, it didn't in the case of anti-semitism, racism, sexism, and homophobia. I mean, we have 6,000 years worth of history on the ill affects of all of these bigotries, and yet we still have anti-semites, racists, sexists, and homophobes. I highly doubt a longer lifespan would help these cretins. If there's one life lesson I've learned so far is that the older you are the less chance you're going to change your mind about something. But to be fair, you try changing Buzsaw's mind about them gheys. I'd hate to see him keep on living and infecting his genocidal attitude to the younger generations.
Ironically, what would happen to religion? With no more afterlife the big shining beacon of hope for most religions moves helluva ways away.
I'm pretty sure religion will find a way to survive the immortality bit. It certainly survived after we confirmed that there were in fact no gods on mount Olympus. It survived after we confirmed that there ain't a great big dome above the Earth. In fact, it survived even after we confirmed that genocide and rape (like what happenned to the people of Jerico) were immoral no matter how you look at it. But to get back to the topic, if indeed we find a cure for aging, I'm gonna buy myself a ticket for the next flight to this new planet 20 light years away. It's hard enough to have to share my air for the next 60 or so years of my life with these cretins. I'll completely lose it if I have to share my air with them for an eternity. Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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