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Author Topic:   Poll; theist, atheist or agnostic
nator
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Message 166 of 295 (340201)
08-15-2006 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 139 by robinrohan
08-14-2006 7:22 AM


Re: Swing Vote
I don't feel like I'm searching for anything, because nothing is missing from my life.
quote:
How wonderful. Probably your robust enthusiasm for the wonders of life keeps you from having any unfulfilled needs.
You know, I read somewhere that unhappy people tend to try to rain on other people's parades out of misery and jealousy.
You poor thing.
Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.

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iano
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Message 167 of 295 (340209)
08-15-2006 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 166 by nator
08-15-2006 9:55 AM


Re: Swing Vote
How wonderful. Probably your robust enthusiasm for the wonders of life keeps you from having any unfulfilled needs.
It could be too that your sights aren't set very high in which case you can be easily fulfilled and there is nothing boastful at all being said. If ones sights are low then total fulfillment is as natural as the weather.
Robin doesn't consider that - sloppy logician that he is.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 168 of 295 (340211)
08-15-2006 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by anglagard
08-14-2006 11:08 PM


Re: Breakdown in Communication
[qs]The poll is limited to the simple question "do you believe in God or possibly in gods?"
There are four ultimately discrete answers:[/b]
1. No = Atheists
2. Undecided = Agnostics/Ringo
3. Yes = Theists
4. No comment = DrJones, Jar, and NWR
I think that covers all the basics.
All responses have reasons behind them, some of which are easily, if not completely, traced in this forum.
Some of the anwers have surprised me. Some are theists that I would have pegged them for Agnostics, and some Agnostics I would have pegged as an atheist, all based on how and what they argue in defense of on this forum. I've learned alot from this poll.
As to your second point, while there may be reasons why one does or does not believe in God, once belief is presumed, there are many ways how one believes in God. There is pretty much only one way how one does not believe in, or is undecided, about belief in God. The 'how' of belief automatically becomes irrelevant. The 'how' of belief, as it is personal and not subject to scientific proof, to paraphrase Einstein, becomes as diverse as the personal characteristics of the beliver, provided one does not become overly enraptured by other personalities, be they living or presume to speak from a position of absolute and unquestioning authority for their interpretation of past events. Therefore it should be no surprise there is a tremendous variety among self-described theists.
I was thinking that we could first take this poll which is very generalized, very broad, and then widdle it down by specific belief. I thnk it would be interesting. And the reason, as you pointed out, there is a tremendous variety of self-described theists, who most assuredly, do not agree theologically. I'd be interested in understanding how they all came to their conclusions.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 169 of 295 (340215)
08-15-2006 10:09 AM


update
THEIST
1. Nemesis Juggernaut
2. Faith
3. Mjfloresta
4. Catholic Scientist
5. Percy
6. Iano
7. Arachnophilia
8. Buzsaw
9. Phat
10. Jazzns
11. Trixie
12. Tal
13. GDR
14. Anglagard
15. Purpledawn
AGNOSTIC
1. Creavolution
2. Omnivorous
3. Schrafinator
4. MangyTiger
5. Rail Bird
6. Rick JB
7. Inflixion
8. Tusko
9. Ekman
10. ReverendDG
11. U can call me Cookie
12. Wounded King
ATHEIST
1. Robinrohan
2. Ramoss
3. Subbie
4. Annafan
5. Chronos
6. Corpagyps
7. Randy Feagley
8. Crashfrog
9. Mutty6969
10. CK
11. Chiroptera
12. Michael
13. Nighttrain
14. NosyNed
15. Jaderis
16. Parasomnium
17. Quetzal
18. NeuroCycle
19. Mick
20. Minnemouseus
NONE OF OUR BUISNESS
1. DrJones
RINGO-- IN A CLASS BY HIMSELF
1. RINGO (there can only be one Ringo to rule them all)
Edited by nemesis_juggernaut, : edit to add
Edited by nemesis_juggernaut, : edit to add

ekman
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From: North Carolina, USA
Joined: 02-27-2006


Message 170 of 295 (340218)
08-15-2006 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 160 by Minnemooseus
08-15-2006 12:46 AM


Re: Atheist
quote:
I suspect many filed under "agnostic" are actually "by default" atheists.
And this quote, too:
quote:
As for me, I am another who is philosophically agnostic but functionally atheist. So I would put myself in the agnostic category.
That would be me, as well. I don't view agnosticism as being "undecided" on the existence of god(s), for me it's more of a disinterested abstinence. I neither believe nor disbelieve, but if pressed I default to disbelief.
Edited by ekman, : edited for clarification

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 171 of 295 (340219)
08-15-2006 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 170 by ekman
08-15-2006 10:16 AM


Re: Atheist
That would be me, as well. I don't view agnosticism as being "undecided" on the existence of god(s), for me it's more of a disinterested abstinence. I neither believe nor disbelieve, but if pressed I default to disbelief.
I would venture to say that most agnostics tend to lean towards atheistic tendencies. When I was an agnostic, I was definately leaning towards atheism, but, I understood that simple principle that I could not disprove a negative. However, there are two people who posted as agnostics who claim they lean towards theism. I have an agnostic friend who leans towards theism as well. I know they are out there, but I believe them to be outnumbered by default atheists.

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robinrohan
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Message 172 of 295 (340232)
08-15-2006 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 171 by Hyroglyphx
08-15-2006 10:23 AM


Re: Atheist
I would venture to say that most agnostics tend to lean towards atheistic tendencies. When I was an agnostic, I was definately leaning towards atheism, but, I understood that simple principle that I could not disprove a negative. However, there are two people who posted as agnostics who claim they lean towards theism.
Seems to be a lot of leaning going on.
At any rate, the practical result of agnosticism is that you behave as though God did not exist.

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kalimero
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Message 173 of 295 (340244)
08-15-2006 11:02 AM



One atheist please.

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sidelined
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From: Edmonton Alberta Canada
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Message 174 of 295 (340247)
08-15-2006 11:10 AM
Reply to: Message 173 by kalimero
08-15-2006 11:02 AM


Re:
kalimero
I will see your atheist and raise you another.

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Quetzal
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Posts: 3228
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Message 175 of 295 (340258)
08-15-2006 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 173 by kalimero
08-15-2006 11:02 AM


Re:
One atheist please.
Would you like fries with that?

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Hyroglyphx
Inactive Member


Message 176 of 295 (340265)
08-15-2006 11:48 AM


Order up: Two atheist burgers and a side of fries, get 'em while they're hot
THEIST
1. Nemesis Juggernaut
2. Faith
3. Mjfloresta
4. Catholic Scientist
5. Percy
6. Iano
7. Arachnophilia
8. Buzsaw
9. Phat
10. Jazzns
11. Trixie
12. Tal
13. GDR
14. Anglagard
15. Purpledawn
AGNOSTIC
1. Creavolution
2. Omnivorous
3. Schrafinator
4. MangyTiger
5. Rail Bird
6. Rick JB
7. Inflixion
8. Tusko
9. Ekman
10. ReverendDG
11. U can call me Cookie
12. Wounded King
13. Fragallrocks
ATHEIST
1. Robinrohan
2. Ramoss
3. Subbie
4. Annafan
5. Chronos
6. Corpagyps
7. Randy Feagley
8. Crashfrog
9. Mutty6969
10. CK
11. Chiroptera
12. Michael
13. Nighttrain
14. NosyNed
15. Jaderis
16. Parasomnium
17. Quetzal
18. NeuroCycle
19. Mick
20. Minnemouseus
21. Kalimero
22. Sidelined
NONE OF OUR BUISNESS
1. DrJones
RINGO-- IN A CLASS BY HIMSELF
1. RINGO (there can only be one Ringo to rule them all)
Edited by nemesis_juggernaut, : edit to add

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NosyNed
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Message 177 of 295 (340283)
08-15-2006 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by Hyroglyphx
08-15-2006 11:48 AM


Thread title suggestion
NJ, could I suggest that you change the thread title to something like:
"Poll re: Theist, Atheist or Agnostic.
This will make it easy to locate down the road.
If you can't change it but would like it changed I can do that for you.

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ringo
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Message 178 of 295 (340286)
08-15-2006 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by robinrohan
08-15-2006 10:45 AM


Re: Atheist

Please do not drag the nice tidy thread off topic by discussing behaviours

robinrohan writes:
... the practical result of agnosticism is that you behave as though God did not exist.
Many theists also behave as if God did not exist.
Edited by AdminNosy, : No reason given.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 179 of 295 (340292)
08-15-2006 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 177 by NosyNed
08-15-2006 12:43 PM


Re: Thread title suggestion
NJ, could I suggest that you change the thread title to something like:
"Poll re: Theist, Atheist or Agnostic.
This will make it easy to locate down the road.
If you can't change it but would like it changed I can do that for you.
Yes, by all means. I think if that was the header it would catch the attention of more people. I don't think I have the capability to change it, so if you don't mind, that would be great. Thank you Ned.

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AdminNWR
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Message 180 of 295 (340307)
08-15-2006 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by Hyroglyphx
08-15-2006 1:07 PM


Re: Thread title suggestion
I made the change - I should have done that when promoting the thread.
I believe you could have changed it by editing the opening post.


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