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Hyroglyphx
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Message 31 of 51 (430733)
10-26-2007 11:21 PM
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10-26-2007 11:14 PM


Re: Topic
Of course not.
So you ordinarily burst out with anti-Bush sentiments as part of a Tourettes fit? Somehow I don't believe you. The wonders never cease.
if some other nation behaved as the US has recently and invaded another Nation, capturing the President, dragging the President back to the invading nation and indicting, trying, convicting, sentencing, incarcerating our President, do we have any legal recourse?
If somebody snatched up the President, what makes you think they are going to care about legal issues at that point?

"Whatever weakens your reasoning, impairs the tenderness of your conscience, obscures your sense of God, or takes away your relish for spiritual things-- in short, if anything increases the power and the authority of the flesh over the spirit, that to you becomes sin, however good it may be in itself." -Suzanna Wesley

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jar
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Message 32 of 51 (430735)
10-26-2007 11:28 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Hyroglyphx
10-26-2007 11:21 PM


Re: Topic
If somebody snatched up the President, what makes you think they are going to care about legal issues at that point?
It matters not what they think, I am asking about our reactions. What legal recourse do we have?
So you ordinarily burst out with anti-Bush sentiments as part of a Tourettes fit? Somehow I don't believe you. The wonders never cease.
Please read what I wrote. I was very careful to point out that Shrub was nowhere near as disastrous as Reagan. And it was not part of the OP but rather simply a comment about where to place the thread. I could have been funny had it not also been true.
Edited by jar, : No reason given.

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nator
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Message 33 of 51 (430738)
10-26-2007 11:44 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Buzsaw
10-26-2007 9:27 PM


off topic, we can start a new thread if you want, buz
quote:
3. Iraq funded terrorist suicide bombers.
Er, no.
Osama Bin Laden funded the attacks, or have you forgotten all about him?
His various businesses, mostly in Sudan, but stretching all over the world, funded the attacks.
He is estimated to be worth hundreds of millions of dollars, and he despised the secular dictatorship that Hussein ran in Iraq.
Here's a Fox News story to that effect that you can't dismiss out of hand.
Notice the date on the story. See, the reason they are talking about Bin Laden on Fox News at all is because it was only a week or so after the attack, and the White House hadn't started dropping the words "Saddam Hussein" and "Iraq" into discussions of the WTC attacks in order to get gullible people like you to think that they had anything to do with it.
Edited by nator, : No reason given.

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Buzsaw
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Message 34 of 51 (430828)
10-27-2007 8:42 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by jar
10-26-2007 11:14 PM


Re: Implication
The implication was heavily on Bush, but if that's not your pleasure, bon voyage.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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jar
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Message 35 of 51 (430829)
10-27-2007 8:47 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Buzsaw
10-27-2007 8:42 PM


Re: Implication
The implication was heavily on Bush, but if that's not your pleasure, bon voyage
Little Bush is NOT the topic, just a running joke. Almost as funny as his supporters.
The question is "What legal recourse would we have if another country kidnapped a US President, indicted, tried, convicted, sentenced, incarcerated the President."

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Buzsaw
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Message 36 of 51 (430831)
10-27-2007 8:54 PM
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10-27-2007 8:47 PM


Re: Implication
As per my response, it all depends on the conditions under which the action was taken and as to what other nations of the world body were involved in the action, etc, etc.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

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jar
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Message 37 of 51 (430834)
10-27-2007 8:57 PM
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10-27-2007 8:54 PM


Re: Implication
...it all depends on the conditions under which the action was taken...
Why would the conditions matter?
...as to what other nations of the world body were involved in the action...
Why would it matter which other nations were involved?

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Buzsaw
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Message 38 of 51 (430835)
10-27-2007 9:08 PM
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10-27-2007 8:57 PM


Re: Implication
1. Whether the conditions involved terrorism relative to the war on terror.
2. Whether the allied nations involved were supportive to the war on terror.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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jar
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Message 39 of 51 (430836)
10-27-2007 9:14 PM
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10-27-2007 9:08 PM


Topic Buz
Whether the conditions involved terrorism relative to the war on terror.
I'm sorry but what the hell are you talking about? How would that have ANYTHING to do with the issue?
Whether the allied nations involved were supportive to the war on terror.
I'm sorry but what the hell would that have to do with the topic?
The question is, some other Nation either invades the US capturing the President, or the President is captured while on a foreign visit, then taken back to some other nation, indicted, tried, convicted, sentenced and incarcerated.
What legal recourse would the US have?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Buzsaw
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Message 40 of 51 (430839)
10-27-2007 9:23 PM


Jar, you wouldn't get it no matter what I said. Obviously you're more interested in asking questions than getting answers. I've got better things to do.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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jar
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Message 41 of 51 (430840)
10-27-2007 9:29 PM
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10-27-2007 9:23 PM


so no explanation?
Jar, you wouldn't get it no matter what I said. Obviously you're more interested in asking questions than getting answers. I've got better things to do.
Who knows. Maybe if you actually explained something instead of simply making unfounded, unsupported assertions they might even make sense.
The question is
jar writes:
The question is, some other Nation either invades the US capturing the President, or the President is captured while on a foreign visit, then taken back to some other nation, indicted, tried, convicted, sentenced and incarcerated.
What legal recourse would the US have?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Phat
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Message 42 of 51 (430841)
10-27-2007 9:41 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by jar
10-27-2007 9:29 PM


Re: so no explanation?
jar writes:
The question is, some other Nation either invades the US capturing the President, or the President is captured while on a foreign visit, then taken back to some other nation, indicted, tried, convicted, sentenced and incarcerated.
What legal recourse would the US have?
Legally, we would have to submit to the U.N. or the World Court, but i doubt that this superpower would cow tow to a bunch of secular humanists! We simply would send a air strike or s SEAL or RANGER rescue team or...if it were Bush, we may just let them keep him!

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jar
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Message 43 of 51 (430843)
10-27-2007 9:44 PM
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10-27-2007 9:41 PM


So might makes right?
Legally, we would have to submit to the U.N. or the World Court, but i doubt that this superpower would cow tow to a bunch of secular humanists!
What does "secular humanist" have to do with anything?

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Phat
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Message 44 of 51 (430844)
10-27-2007 9:46 PM
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10-27-2007 9:44 PM


Re: So might makes right?
We dont get any special privilege in the U.N. Little Timbuktu gets as much justice as we do. Thats why we usually don't submit to the U.N.
Might indeed does make right....Given the audacity of an enemy to capture our leader. They soon will learn the Golden Rule: He Who Has The Gold Makes The Rules!

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jar
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Message 45 of 51 (430846)
10-27-2007 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Phat
10-27-2007 9:46 PM


Think things through.
Think about what you say.
Phat writes:
Might indeed does make right....Given the audacity of an enemy to capture our leader. They soon will learn the Golden Rule: He Who Has The Gold Makes The Rules!
The US will not always be top dog. Even today there are Nations that can certainly approach the US in terms of near parity. For example, if China were the nation that took the action, or France, or England, or Germany, or Japan, could we take military action?
What you advocate is that power is the determining factor as opposed to law.
Is that really your position?

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