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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
She plans on doing it for a full ten days, but I don't think it seems safe (she's already 110 lbs and you can lose up to 10 lbs on this). I also don't know if its effective and what it cleanses and how its supposed to make you healthier. At 110 pounds, an adult, even a very short adult, is dangerously underweight and probably malnourished. It sounds as if your girlfriend has bouts with anorexia. That "cleanse" is basically a diaeretic. It does not have enough nutrients to sustain her for ten days, especially when it will likely cause her to lose a lot of water weight. It does not sound good. That isn't a diet, that's starvation. And at her tiny weight, she can't afford ten days of that. Yeah, she'll lose weight-- water weight, not fat. It can be dangerous for her. Stop her if you can. "A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." -C.S. Lewis
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Jazzns Member (Idle past 3942 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: |
What I don't get about most of these wacky "natural" healing solutions is how they are at all "natural". The body knows how to clean itself out naturally. What your GF is doing is actually unnaturally affecting her body for some unknown effect.
Naturally you need a certain caloric intake a day to function normally. You should also probably get a balanced diet that includes fats and vitamins. Given that, the body will clean itself. You certainly can do things to make it more difficult for your body to "clean" itself out such as only eating meat but the solution to that is not to "cleanse" but rather get back onto a normal diet that includes the fiber you need to have you body do what it does best... ... naturally. Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)
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nator Member (Idle past 2201 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
OK, so what you seem to be saying is that you don't actually have any evidence that chlorophyll does all the things your post said it does.
quote: There are no enzyems in chlorophyll. Also, any enzymes that are present in chlorophyll (or any food that we ingest) are neutralized by stomach acid. Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2544 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
There are no enzyems in chlorophyll. Also, any enzymes that are present in chlorophyll second part (that I didn't quote) is quite true, with one or two exceptions. I'm quite fuzzy on my digestive biology, but we might actually produce one or two enzymes that can withstand the HCl in our stomach. I think its pepsin. Either that, or pepsin is involved in production of HCl acid. Want to help give back to the world community? Did you know that your computer can help? Join the newest TeamEvC Climate Modelling to help improve climate predictions for a better tomorrow.
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nator Member (Idle past 2201 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Oh, sure, there are several enzymes that we produce that we use to help in the digestion of food. Some are in the saliva, I believe.
The point is that the people who advocate ingesting raw foods like wheatgrass, thinking that the enzymes ingested help their own digestion, are wrong. (I see why you were laughing, and I agree my particular word choice was bad. )
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5622 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
There are no enzyems in chlorophyll. Also, any enzymes that are present in chlorophyll (or any food that we ingest) are neutralized by stomach acid. No it appears just the opposite plant enzymes are not destroyed by the acids in the stomach. Wheatgrass chlorophyll has enzymes that aids digestion. It has b vitamens, minerals, etc... P.S. I just broke down and bought a bag of apricot pits(preventive maintenace). The word is not to take any more that 5 pits per day to give the needed allotment of b17. Its cheaper than buying sprouted sprouts at the local grocery store to get the daily allotment of b17. ----------------------------------------------- And "maximum nutrients" they are. Wheatgrass contains all amino acids, is full of essential fatty acids, vitamins and minerals, vitamins A, C and Bs, is high in iron and vitamin K*. And we mustn’t forget about the enzymes wheatgrass juice delivers. Enzymes are complex protein compounds produced by living cells that speed up biochemical reactions required for proper and normal functioning of every organ system and have also been found to aid digestion! Jamba Juice Error Page: 404 Page Why does Infinity2 use plant-based enzymes instead of pancreatic or animal enzymes?Plant-based enzymes are more effective than animal or pancreatic enzymes because they remain active throughout the entire digestive process and they do not interfere with the natural functioning of the body, so they have no side effects. http://www.infinity2.com/faq/products.asp#8 Edited by Charley, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2201 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I'm sorry to inform you that your notion is incorrect. Ingested enzyems are denatured (destroyed) just like other proteins in the digestion process.
quote: Like I said, any plant enzymes, which are proteins, are denatured in the presence of stomach acid. It's just like what happens if you combine lemon juice and milk; it curdles. The proteins in the milk are denatured (unraveled) by the acetic acid. Therefore, since their molecular structures are irrevocably altered once they encounter stomach acid, they are no longer able to act as catalysts (which is what enzymes do). Any enzymes that are needed for our digestion are produced in our own bodies.
quote: That wheatgrass juice has viamins and minerals is not in contention. Vitamins and minerals are not enzymes/proteins. Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2201 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Apricot pits are also a source of all natural dietary cyanide. There's no such thing, by the way, as "vitamin B17".
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2544 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
methinks you have no clue what chlorophyll is.
here's a picture for you. or rather, pictures.Chlorophyll - Wikipedia also, chlorophyll HAS NO ENYMES. THEY AREN'T EVEN PROTEINS (which all biological enzymes are). ALL THEY DO, and ALL THEY ARE GOOD AT IS TRANSFERING LIGHT ENERGY!! I swear, if one more person says that chlorophyll is an enyzme or does anything more than just doing its part in photosynthesis, I'm gonna scream.
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5622 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
Apricot pits are also a source of all natural dietary cyanide. That explains why your not to take more than 5 apricot seeds in a day. Does not seem there is any proof that cyanide is being released in a healthy cell. The saliva and blood tests indicate non-toxic thiocyanate and not cyanide. If it was being released in healthy cells why is Laetrile being used to treat cancer. Is it not because the enzyme rhodanese adequately converts cyanide to thiocyanate in the healthy cells. However I'm open to any proof that the enzyme rhodanese is not adequately converting cyanide to the non-toxic thiocyanate. B17 is in a whole host of foods commonly eaten, if they really believed its releasing cyanide in healthy cells the FDA would be recommending the Roman diet of upchucking.
There's no such thing, by the way, as "vitamin B17". B12 is another cyanide containing compound but its considered a vitamen because it does not threaten the drug companies profits. Think of all the elderly that would lose if B12 shots were outlawed because it has cyanide. Laetrile(B17) is a natural substance that helps prevent cancer because because in cancer tissues the cancer cell is unable to prevent a non toxic response to the cyanide. Just because its labeled a drug does not mean its not a vitamen. ---------------------------------------------- When vitamin B-17 enters the body (in foods, for example), it is hydrolyzed only to a very slight degree by body or somatic cells. This is obvious from the non-toxicity shown by B-17. But even if some of the B-17 is hydrolyzed by body or somatic cells, the very high concentration of the enzyme rhodanese in these cells converts the HCN immediately to relatively non-toxic thiocyanate. (This accounts largely for the thiocyanate that you find in blood, urine, saliva, etc., as stated above). The presence of nitriloside in the diet produces specific physiologic effects and leaves as metabolites specific chemical compounds of a physiologically active nature. The production by a non-toxic, water-soluble accessory food factor of specific physiological effects as well as identifiable metabolites suggests the vitamin nature of the compound. The quantities of the vitamin B-17 in the described foods have been very carefully determined by independent workers over the years. Because of our cultural antipathy to cyanide, our food technology has made every conceivable effort through processing, hybridizing, distilling, etc., to remove every trace of derivable cyanide from foods for man and animals. It is good that this irrationality has not to date, at least, completely removed the cyanide-containing vitamin B-12 or cyanocobalamin. Forbidden
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5622 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
The chlorophyll you buy in the health food store is produced primarily by wheatgrass juicing. The liquid chlorophyll is being produced by juicing so its is also full of enzymes, minerals, and vitamens.
The chlorophyll molecule itself is converted to pheophytin when it gives up the magnesium in digestion it then becomes bioabsorbed in the small intestine. ----------------------------------------------------- Chlorella can Build your immune systemDetoxify the heavy metals and other pesticides in your body Improve your digestive system, including decreasing constipation Focus more clearly and for greater duration Improve your energy level Chlorella is Alkaline and helps to Balance your body's pH Normalize your blood sugar and blood pressure Eliminate bad breath Fight cancer Increase T-Cells and B-Cells Improves fatigue associated with chemotherapy Stimulates Interferon Increases Growth of Beneficial Bacteria in the Colon http://www.oasisadvancedwellness.com/.../chlorella-caps.html "The acidic conditions in the stomach cause the magnesium to be lost, and the chlorophyll becomes a pheophytin, the same as you'd get if you canned some green vegetables," Failla said. The artificial digestion system, known as the Coupled In Vitro Digestion and Caco-2 Human Cell Model, showed that absorptive cells lining the small intestine actually do uptake pheophytins formed during digestion of spinach puree. Site | OSU Extension
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5939 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
Charley
P.S. I just broke down and bought a bag of apricot pits(preventive maintenace). The word is not to take any more that 5 pits per day to give the needed allotment of b17. Its cheaper than buying sprouted sprouts at the local grocery store to get the daily allotment of b17. You are aware that apricot pits contain cyanogenic glycosides which release cyanide when digested right. Could you explain the nutritional value of ingesting cyanide Charley?
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Phalanx Member (Idle past 5743 days) Posts: 31 From: Old Bridge, NJ, US Joined: |
I'm just gonna follow what sidelined had to say with the link to wikipedia's article, here. It would seem that amygdalin, or "vitamin B17", has undergone a few clinical studies, with no visible effect. Seems to me like a waste of your money.
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5622 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
Seems to me like a waste of your money. Without zinc / copper appears it would be a waste of money. People die for a lack of knowledge b17 is primarily a prevention thing but if one takes to many apricot/almonds seeds they would likely end up in the emergency room. If you drink too much water you could end up in the emergency room, etc... -------------------------------------------------- Vitamin B17 may help prevent cancer, but if one already has cancer, a complete protocol is required including diet, enzymes, exercise, detoxification, and supplementation, as prescribed by a physician. It is best to work with an alternative physician to be sure you are using the best approach to treat your particular condition. These doctors and clinics are offering Laetrile / B17 as part of their therapy. Get your doctor to work with you ” not on you. Importance of Zinc: Zinc is the transportation mechanism for laetrile and nitrilosides in the body. Biochemists and researchers have found that you can give Laetrile to a patient until its coming out of the ears of the patient, but, if that patient did not have sufficient level of Zinc, none of the laetrile would get into the tissues of the body. They also found that nothing heals within the body without sufficient Vitamin C. They also found that magnesium, selenium, vitamin A, and B all played an important part in maintaining the body's defence mechanism. This is why its very important to understand that cancer is best treated with a total nutritional program consisting of diet, vitamins, minerals, laetrile, and pancreatic enzymes. Many people take Laetrile / B17 in its natural state: bitter almonds or apricot seeds. And many of these people end up in the emergency wards nearly poisoned to death. This is because they are not following the directions, or taking the seeds without any supervision. The apricot seeds contain cyanide. Although Laetrile / B17 is less toxic than sugar and 21 times less toxic than aspirin, you can take to much... Unfortunately, one can take to much of anything ” even water. So to question the use of vitamin B17 on the grounds of toxicity is extraordinary as all the drugs used currently in orthodox cancer therapy are extremely toxic. http://home.bluegrass.net/~jclark/b17_dosage.htm Edited by Charley, : No reason given.
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5622 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
You are aware that apricot pits contain cyanogenic glycosides which release cyanide when digested right. Please show your evidence that if digested right cyanogenic glycosides release cyanide. It appears just the opposite happens and its only when one consumes too many apricot seed that one might end up in the emergency room. Edited by Charley, : No reason given.
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