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Topic: Believing it is not proving it
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purpledawn
Member (Idle past 3488 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: 04-25-2004
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Show the Logic
I haven't seen the basis of your logic yet. My preference is to start with facts. What statements or general ideas in the plain text of the Bible are contradictory to the theory of evolution?
"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Here is the problem robin
You keep returning to your assertion even though each and every point you bring up has been addressed numerous times within this very thread. In the end, all that you have is that YOU judge evolution to be immoral. You are welcome to your opinion. It's completely illogical, but it's yours. The audience can read this thread and make their own decisions about who supported their position, and who did not.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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sidelined
Member (Idle past 5938 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: 08-30-2003
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Re: You really don't understand logic at all do you?
robinrohan
In order to sin, you have to know the difference between right and wrong Do you know the difference between right and wrong for any given situation rr?
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robinrohan
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Message 229 of 300 (300552)
04-03-2006 10:35 AM
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Reply to: Message 228 by sidelined
04-03-2006 10:00 AM
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Re: You really don't understand logic at all do you?
Do you know the difference between right and wrong for any given situation rr? Well, I have feelings about what's right and wrong.
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robinrohan
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Re: Show the Logic
What statements or general ideas in the plain text of the Bible are contradictory to the theory of evolution? I'm not referring to the Bible.
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robinrohan
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Message 231 of 300 (300555)
04-03-2006 10:39 AM
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Reply to: Message 225 by Phat
04-03-2006 8:29 AM
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Re: Redirecting this topic
I cannot prove that my beliefs are provable. IMHO, God can give me logic that will cause many to think. He can do anything.
Surely you must have some reason for believing in God, unless it's just a whim.
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purpledawn
Member (Idle past 3488 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: 04-25-2004
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Re: Show the Logic
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I'm not referring to the Bible.
Then what is your logic based on?
"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz
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robinrohan
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Re: Show the Logic
Then what is your logic based on? I just figured it out.
"Headpiece filled with straw, Alas!"--T. S. Eliot
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robinrohan
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Re: Show the Logic
The more I think about it though, I believe there might be a dilemma in my thought process that I can't solve.
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LinearAq
Member (Idle past 4706 days) Posts: 598 From: Pocomoke City, MD Joined: 11-03-2004
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Re: its a big misunderstanding
robinrohan writes: This God created a situation in which, in order to survive, life forms must torture, kill, and eat other life forms. There's your all-good God at work.
Actually, it fits in well with a God who ordered the killing of all the inhabitants of Jerico (including babies) except the family of a prostitute who lied to the local authorities as to the whereabouts of Hebrew spies. I wonder why you don't think that is incompatible with the Christian "all-good God"?
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purpledawn
Member (Idle past 3488 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: 04-25-2004
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Re: Show the Logic
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The more I think about it though, I believe there might be a dilemma in my thought process that I can't solve.
I feel the dilemma is that you are missing quite a bit of information. Try to understand what is actually in the Bible as opposed to what various groups present. Adds more info to the mix.
"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz
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robinrohan
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Message 237 of 300 (300596)
04-03-2006 12:53 PM
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Reply to: Message 235 by LinearAq
04-03-2006 11:53 AM
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Re: its a big misunderstanding
Actually, it fits in well with a God who ordered the killing of all the inhabitants of Jerico (including babies) except the family of a prostitute who lied to the local authorities as to the whereabouts of Hebrew spies. I wonder why you don't think that is incompatible with the Christian "all-good God"? Are you talking about some Bible story? My argument has nothing to do with the Bible.
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robinrohan
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Re: Show the Logic
I feel the dilemma is that you are missing quite a bit of information. The dilemma is this: If God does not exist, then presumably our morality is subjective. And if our morality is subjective, my judgment that evolution is immoral would also be subjective and therefore meaningless. This message has been edited by robinrohan, 04-03-2006 11:57 AM
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purpledawn
Member (Idle past 3488 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: 04-25-2004
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The Dilemma
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The dilemma is this: If God does not exist, then presumably our morality is subjective. And if our morality is subjective, my judgment that evolution is immoral would also be subjective and therefore meaningless.
Whether God exists or not, human morality (individual or corporate) is subjective. It is from the viewpoint of the individual or the group. Your conclusion that evolution is immoral is subjective and meaningless. But the only reason it is meaningless is because you are not judging a human who can make decisions. You are trying to project human morality on a process. The process doesn't make decisions. IMO, creatures have their own set of "morals". Is there some reason you feel that all living things should have the same moral code?
"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz
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robinrohan
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Re: The Dilemma
Whether God exists or not, human morality (individual or corporate) is subjective. If one is a Christian or Jew or Muslim, one has to believe in an objective morality. Otherwise, sin would be a meaningless concept.
But the only reason it is meaningless is because you are not judging a human who can make decisions. You are trying to project human morality on a process. The process doesn't make decisions. If God made the process, then He is responsible for it morally.
Is there some reason you feel that all living things should have the same moral code? I'm assuming that animals don't have a moral code and so are not responsible. He who made the animals would be responsible.
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