It's finally official: We're doomed

Nice. It's the way to do it. If I had a any sense, it's what I would do - but I still have dreams of world-domination, famine eradication, and a hollowed out volcano with a mono-rail. So it's stupid hours and exponential growth for me for a few years yet...

The reason there are only two lines open is because the corporate agenda has determined that they will only pay checkers X amount. The union negotiated 2X, but the corporation feels that they can sway public opinion into getting rid of the "overpaid" workers and inserting twice the number of low paid workers into the check stands, pleasing the consumers, stockholders and everyone except the labor.I've been over my union and anti union rants before, but I will reiterate that we (the union) stand up for the value we feel we are worth. The very idea that a corporation can kick employees around and tell them what their value is is part of the evil corporate agenda that has gripped the world. What you consumers don't realize is that even if the corporation had twice the checkers at half the pay, your groceries would be relatively the same price.Additionally, by eliminating the lower middle class jobs and replacing them with minimum wage level jobs, the employees would not stimulate the economy as much due to the fact that every darn penny they earned went for rent and baby diapers, with a buck or two left for a beer. (grrr) But don't even get me started.... I am a union steward and will tell you another reason we are doomed. The union itself doesn't see the issue. They fall for the tricks of the management which are designed to split the labor force, have us fighting rather than being unified, and ultimately allowing the corporate agenda to milk the global labor pool and eliminate the middle class that we Americans have been trying for so long to cultivate and by divine Godly rights should have!!! (sorry, I'm steamed! )anyway, putting the union itself aside for a moment, think of the poor college graduates who thought that getting a degree insured them of a decent paying job only to find "Payak" from India eagerly working for $40,000 a year instead of the $80,000 that the jobs value previously had.Americans have been stupid in the past. We did not understand why Reagan was going to hurt us in the long run by deregulating utilities. We allowed debts to pile up, and now demand that our lawmakers (from both parties) find a way to avoid the inevitable higher taxes.Conclusion: People are mad and want easy solutions. They are too dense and illiterate in general to see the problems, never mind the solutions. All I know is that forcing a 20 year grocery veteran like me to work for half as much is going to make the steam come out from under my collar and my joining the ranks of the street folk surrounding the modern day Bastille. The rich folks and their fancy lawyers and lobbyists wont escape our wrath easily...if this whole scenario ultimately manifests in favor of the wealthy and powerful.Edited by Phat, : fixed an error made due to my angry typing

What is the particular issue that this is meant to address? What spurred this discussion of grocery clerks?Jon

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The idea that you consumers gripe about the two checkers running the front end when there should be four. I am explaining to you why it is the corporations fault for not honoring the union contract terms and instead holding firm on their position of paying the upper management and the stockholders and ignoring our demands for decent wages.

What did I ever say about the union? I merely commented that it is no fun to wait in line to buy groceries. I am not sure where the rest of this rant of yours is coming from.Jon

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I have lived in Colorado all my life. My Father was in WW II and came out west to be a home builder. He was successful and he worked hard. Granted, i was a bit of a pampered Lad and my parents gave me money that i didn't deserve, but I did learn that if i worked hard, I could save and get ahead. Had I gone to college and grown up, I would have been more successful. hindsight is 20/20.Then came Reagan. The wealthy became wealthier at the expense of the working class. Most folks did not even know what was happening. The democratic unions grew smaller and the wealth of the wealthy grew larger. Now, in 2010 with record budget deficits and all sanity going to hell in a hand basket as the two political parties argue over tax increases, the evil forces of the corporate agenda are trying to strike again at organized labor. My rant started and was sparked by crashfrogs retort that he couldn't stand to see two checkers open at the grocery store. You then agreed, saying that it pissed you off as well. Then, privately chatting with you, I asked you point blank whose fault it was that there were two checkers. (My opinion is that it is the corporations fault for capping pay despite a clear union contract advocating more.) You, however, said that it was the unions fault. Obviously we disagree. One thing is certain in my mind. If this country is being destroyed, it is not due to some liberal agenda. It is most definitely due to a corporate agenda that cares little for the whining of the American Middle Class.

Oh good grief.There is no need to strike again at organized labor, it is a big part of the problem and will self-destruct because it no longer offers value to the process.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

So tell me. WHO determines the value?

the buyer.

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Why should the labor not be pleased? Many would otherwise be jobless. No, you stand up for the maximum amount of money you can squeeze from the company, whether you're worth it or not. But this isn't about the price of groceries; this is about the number of people in the line. And you already admitted that 'if the corporation had twice the checkers at half the pay', then it would shorten lines and speed up the checkouts. How many diapers have you bought recently? All absolute hogwash. Why should it matter how long you've had the job? Whose fault is this? How many of those college students would rather now be doing their dream job for half the salary than flipping burgers for 1/8 of it?Jon

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But Jon. Dont you see? Look at the big picture...everyone is being asked to work harder for less. Is this not a crises?
How can you even suggest that we should cowtow to this level? The only way I would do it is if it were Jesus approved...

Haha go for it if its your dreem, i lost the greedy eye in me a year ago, on the notion that life is worth way too much for one to waste it away on work and stress so i set a new goal retierment by 25 still have one year left to make it happen.I made my first 20 000EUR in one go when i was 15, after my parrents died 4 years ago i took over their company and built it up to almost 2x its worth. When the recesion came i found out the stress is not worth the money so i hatched a new plan i calculated how much i spend on average on personal bills only (food, clothes, EL, net, tv, vecations, bar time) surprisingly it was only 1200EUR a month so i did some calculating how to get that much money whitout work and i calculated i can get almost 3ple that.Now im selling the buisnes and building a new house to retire in.

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How can something that has never truly happened on the planet Earth be shown either way? I call Bullshit. And, coyote, for me to have to single you out, this is a break in the trust we had. I am very disappointed in you. You have let me down.The european countries mentioned - oh - i'm so sorry, they prove both that you are very likely to be wrong AND that this is the way to go, because now they are proving to be working better. And yet they still have each a tad of greed still embedded in their systems. {Strawman for other readers:} Gecko is fuckin wrong man, didnt we get the movie? Greed is NOT good. It is foul lethal obnoxious smegmaical tripe. That was the point.p.s. to Percy:
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Only my latest one Cool. I hadn't even started "work" until I was quite a bit older than that. And then soon after gave it up for another dream. Now I'm onto something different again. Constant change seems to be the key, I've found... Excellent work. But I'm sure you'll soon be itching to do something else with that extra cash. Just try to make it something interesting

If you can call setting up a meeting, translating, and screwing both parties for a provision whitout the other knowing it work then yea i started work early. I was happy the seller was happy and the buyer was happy wins all around.P.s. i know it is ilegal to get a provision from both sides whitout them knowing though who gives a shit abbout that wen you get 20 large or at that time 40 large but marks not EUR. I was feeling "bad" about it all the way to the bank. Strangely enough i doubt it, i have enough for my needs and i dint like the way the game changed during the recesion, every body wants to screw others over now, i always conducted deals where everyone was happy, or relativly happy upon conclusion. I dont like lawsuits but my hand got forced 3 times during the recesion and in a few days time a guy who wanted to screw me over is gona loose it all the repo man is comming and he now thinks i am the bad guy even though he took my money and did not deliver or return the money.on that note When those would not pay i found it much easier to sell the claim to a firm that specialises in getting your money back got a sweet deal to they got the 90% of the intrest and i got all my money back (still waiting on the 3d guy) whit no hassle they did make quite a lot so if you like that kind of work it is very profitable.