christians and cures

brenna, no one talked about molestation that much, whether in seculat soceity or the church, because people did not realize it was such a problem.Now, it's talked about in nearly all church circles I know of. Then again, I am not a Catholic, and if you are talking about the heirarchy there, you have a point, but then again, centuries ago, they killed people like me.Keep in mind churches often have nurseries and children's and kid's ministries. So they talk a good bit about it to prevent something like that occuring in association with church activities.

I know noise is a problem, robin, but why is it so particular with thee?BTW, loud Christian Rock is all the rage right now. It could be the sound of righteous jubilation that you hear.

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{ABE How could I forget!} PODMake it loud! Jesus is totally metal!BTW this is totally off topic and a complete excuse to plug my last post Message 15 which got shoved to the bottom of page 1. Any of my brothers and sisters on the other side of the political fence want to take a crack at that one?This message has been edited by Jazzns, 01-24-2006 10:58 AM

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No smoking signs by gas stations. No religion in the public square. The government should keep us from being engulfed in flames on earth, and that is pretty much it. -- Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

Yep. I see absolutely no evidence given on this thread that this is the dominant response of the Christian community. I saw one reference to one political Christian group, period, in the Nation article, and that quote was not given in full context so it's hard to judge. It looks and smells just like disinformation to me.In terms of whether I would vaccinate my own kids with this vaccine, I would have to study it and see if it is safe; consider the risks and assess if it is necessary. I would not have a moral problem with the vaccine, and I don't think most Christians would either.Making the vaccine mandatory though could be a different issue.

I'm very sensitive to noise. I'm also an insomniac who has enough trouble sleeping as it is. The other night I was just about to drift off when some distant driving pumping music drifted into my ears. It was a long ways away, but not far enough for me. So much for that night's sleep.I think the girls should keep their legs together and the boys should keep their pants zipped and not have any parties with music or loud talking. To accomplish this, you have to separate them. Don't teach them any biology or religion.When they are old enough, they can talk to each other under close supervision, but no touching. Whenever they grow out of their need for loud music, at whatever age that is, then let them have at it.That's my social program.I don't care what kind of music it is--it could be The Messiah for all I care. Just get rid of it around me.This message has been edited by robinrohan, 01-24-2006 12:08 PMThis message has been edited by robinrohan, 01-24-2006 12:09 PM

Off topic post, sorry.This message has been edited by Faith, 01-24-2006 01:49 PM

and it's yet another example of willfull ignorance IMHO.You can add this stupidity to the long list, opposing Sex-Ed, condoms, gay marriage and teaching the Theory of Evolution.To oppose vaccinating young girls is certainly foolish, cruel and unchrist-like.

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Like John Lee Hooker said about the boogie, it's in 'em, and it's gonna come out.I think they should just go boff quietly in their cars like we did.

As long as they're quiet about it, they can screw all they want for all I care. Give them all the new medicine, birth control pills, condoms, whatever. I don't care if it makes them more sexually active or not. It's none of my business. If somebody wants an abortion, then give it to her, for crying outloud.

If I were teaching a sex-ed class, I would offer them some advice, however: Be particular. Think of the one area of life that you are most particular about, and apply that standard to your sex partners. Don't just hop into bed with anybody. It's obvious that you need not go hungry if you're willing to dine off sauerkraut and turnip-tops. But a little hunger is not going to kill you. On the contrary, it has great benefits.

i'm not talking about catholics. i'm talking about good old boy southern baptists who diddle their daughters and granddaughters because they can.

but that's okay, 'cause we can fix it right now. Here's a nice summary from aidsmap.com of a Fortune magazine piece. I'll link to the full Fortune piece later: It is not disinformation, rand, to say that the predominant Christian response "has been opposition for exactly the reason (a consequence of increased sexual activity)." I'm genuinely glad you feel that way. Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, sees it otherwise: You can view the entire Fortune piece here. Of course, near-universal vaccination would be required to eventually remove the threat from the population, as with smallpox and polio--no, wait, not polio: not everybody wants the polio vaccine, sometimes because their religious leaders tell them to refuse. Then what happens? Here's one example from a summary at www.plastic.com

The problem is I have never heard of Tony Perkins, nor do I suspect have 99% of most other Christians. There are lots of groups out there. You can probably find some environmentalist liberals that think we need to go back to hunterer gatherers and depopulate the earth, but that doesn't mean that's what most environmentalists believe.Plus, the doctor saying that this could send the wrong message that sex can be safe with multiple partners has a valid point in and of itself. Vaccinating the entire population for this may be overkill as well.I don't know how prevalent cervical cancer is, but you have to sign a waiver when your kids are vaccinated because a very small percentage of people die or suffer health problems from vaccinations. I think before we mandate everyone be vaccinated, we need to consider the benefits. If a couple hundred children, say, die from bad reactions to it, but we save thousands from cervical cancer, it still could be a moral dilemna in that the children are innocent and to some extent then become the victims of a permiscous society.I'd have to look into it more, but I imagine the issue may not be as cut and dried as some say.This message has been edited by randman, 01-25-2006 12:36 AM

Brenna, most good ole boy southern baptists are somewhat nominal Christians, and I suspect you know that. There are lots of people that are essentially traditionalists and as such believe it is important to pay lip service to religion and God, but at the same time, think plenty of ungodly traditions should be upheld (not referring to molestation but maybe for some this is rooted in their past upbringing). They are not committed to following Christ, being born-again, etc,...and openly party and whatever in a fashion showing they are not there to be 100% sold out to Christ or anything like that.Same is true for many other denominations. Some folks just believe going to church is right, but not really repenting of sin. I could go on to describe the type, but I think you know what I mean.In terms of Christians or non-Christians molesting their children, I don't think there is any reason to think Christians are somehow more prone to this, not even nominal Christians. I hear of plenty of molestation taking place up north, midwest, west coast, etc,...the idea this represents something about Christians is just plain weird.

I am a fairly conservative religious person in the political and moral sense of the term, conservative, and if the vaccine is safe, I think it would be great to have it available for people, but not mandatory. I think over time it could get rid of a lot of cervical cancer.I think opposing it with the idea it encourages promiscuity is misguided, as you could actually marry someone carrying the virus and not know it. So even the virtuous could get cancer.I suspect the vast majority of religious conservatives agree me as well.