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Peeta Mellark
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Message 1 of 23 (671739)
08-29-2012 11:14 PM


Are there any evolutionists out there who have the balls to get in a one on one debate about how people got to North America???

Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Topic title changed from "How did people get to North America?" to "Ice Age is a Product of the Flood" (Peeta Mellark and Coyote only)".

Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Remove superfluous " from topic title.


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Message 2 of 23 (671740)
08-29-2012 11:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Peeta Mellark
08-29-2012 11:14 PM


How about a short version of your perspective?
Are there any evolutionists out there who have the balls to get in a one on one debate about how people got to North America???

I'm sure we can line you up with a 1 on 1 "Great Debate", but first we need more of message from you. So, what is the short version of how you think people got to North America?

Please reply as a reply to this message 2.

Adminnemooseus


Or something like that.

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Peeta Mellark
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Message 3 of 23 (671741)
08-29-2012 11:38 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Adminnemooseus
08-29-2012 11:28 PM


Re: How about a short version of your perspective?
Well I'm gonna have to go with the Flood. Because during the Flood, the earths temperature would have been greatly reduced due to the fact that we would have had 100% cloud cover and in some spots there wouldn't be rain, but snow. Therefore the flood would have resulted in the Ice Age which would have made ice bridges connecting the continents.
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Message 4 of 23 (671742)
08-29-2012 11:56 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Peeta Mellark
08-29-2012 11:38 PM


A "The flood caused the ice age" topic?
I'm not going to give this one the easy promotion - I'm going to grill you a bit first. Hopefully it will make for a better topic.

I've seen the creation side argue that the most recent ice age (there is also evidence of several older ice ages) was caused by "post flood climatic adjustment". Is that the core concept you wish to explore? A LOT of snow is required to build up to glacial ice thicknesses. Then most of that ice needs to be melted to get us back to the current situation. In all, it would seem to be a substantial time period where the Earth was a pretty chilly place.

If you wish to go the "The flood caused the ice age" route, please submit an opening message directly aimed at that theme. You can make such as a reply to this message 4.

Adminnemooseus

Edited by Adminnemooseus, : New subtitle.


Or something like that.

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Message 5 of 23 (671743)
08-30-2012 12:14 AM
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08-29-2012 11:56 PM


Re: A "The flood caused the ice age" topic?
Alright, I'm fine with that. But I don't think this would be after the flood, I'm trying to say that the ice would have been formed during the flood, and right now we can still see some of the ice from the flood on Antarctica and in the Arctic. This would also mean that the ice that remains on the earth is not really melting to much (due to Global Warming), but instead it is just returning to the way it was before the flood occurred.
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Message 6 of 23 (671745)
08-30-2012 1:50 AM


Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Thread copied here from the Ice Age is a Product of the Flood" (Peeta Mellark and Coyote only) thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
    
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Message 7 of 23 (671746)
08-30-2012 2:08 AM


Moderator guidelines
As I see it, this topic presumes that "the flood" happened - The question then is how did this flood come to cause/include the ice age. It is not the place for the usual why/how the flood happened/didn't happen debate.

I also presume that Peeta Mellark is going to operate in the young Earth creationist (YEC) time-frame (Peeta needs to make it clear if such is not the case). As such, the question is, how did it happen in such a restricted time frame?

I suspect that Coyote will wish to point out that the most recent ice age lasted longer than that YEC time-frame. If so, I think he needs to make the case of why it couldn't have happened in the YEC time-frame. Something other than citing his favorite old Earth radiometric age dates.

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Or something like that.

    
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Message 8 of 23 (671767)
08-30-2012 9:53 AM


Peeta, I'll let you go first.
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Message 9 of 23 (671863)
08-30-2012 11:46 PM
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08-30-2012 9:53 AM


Alright but first I just wanna be clear about something. How many years is the YEC supposed to compose of? I've heard 4000yrs, 5800yrs, and 6000yrs (6000 is the one that I prefer to use but it's up to you).

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Message 10 of 23 (671866)
08-31-2012 12:13 AM
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08-30-2012 11:46 PM


The YEC time-frame
I'm surprised you don't know this.

The YEC age of the universe is about 5000 years, although some YECs may stretch that to 10,000 years.

The flood model (as I recall, I may be wrong) is about 1 year in duration.

You don't have to take the YEC position, but most of the creationists around these parts do seem to be YECs.

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Or something like that.

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Message 11 of 23 (671869)
08-31-2012 12:49 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Adminnemooseus
08-31-2012 12:13 AM


Re: The YEC time-frame
Alright, then I'm gonna begin with early Genesis where God created Adam and Eve. The original plan God had for them was a sinless, eternal life on earth. This type of life style was carried out until the Devil convinced them to sin. This first sin was what brought shame into the world and caused Adam and Eve to make clothes.

If people never died (and were void of sin/shame) then we wouldn't have to worry about freezing to death, and therefore would have no real reason to where clothes.

Do you have any ideas why we could go anywhere on earth without freezing to death?

Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Off-topic banner.


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Message 12 of 23 (671876)
08-31-2012 1:05 AM
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08-31-2012 12:49 AM


Not anywhere near on-topic
Come on now. Your topic proposal was that the ice age was caused or otherwise tied into the Noahic flood.

How do you support that flood/ice age relationship?

Adminnemooseus

ps: Please, use the little reply button at the bottom of Coyote's most recent message. You're (in concept) debating with him, not me.


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Message 13 of 23 (671878)
08-31-2012 1:47 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Peeta Mellark
08-30-2012 11:46 PM


How many years is the YEC supposed to compose of? I've heard 4000yrs, 5800yrs, and 6000yrs (6000 is the one that I prefer to use but it's up to you).

I presume you will be debating the creationist or YEC side, so it is up to you to choose among those ages and then support your choice.

The ages I have heard cited most often are ca. 6,000 years or just a little older for the age of the earth, and ca. 4,350 years or so for the time since the global flood.


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Message 14 of 23 (671947)
08-31-2012 10:29 PM
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08-31-2012 1:05 AM


Re: Not anywhere near on-topic
In order to prove that there was an ice age intertwined with the flood, you must first prove (or give a reason) that the flood could have happened.
The whole point of my asking for a one-on-one debate was to keep other people from intervening, and as the one who set the tone for this debate I reserve the right to ask any question that I believe will help me to better understand my adversary.
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Message 15 of 23 (671948)
08-31-2012 10:31 PM
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08-31-2012 10:29 PM


Re: Not anywhere near on-topic
So ask!

I've been waiting for two days for a post to which I can respond.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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