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Author | Topic: Isaiah 53 speaks about ISRAEL, and not about the messiah. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2358 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
Whoops, Nonukes, you dont know much bible nor the principles of the bible..
Jacob could obviously take on more than one wife, and the second one (Rachel) was the one he served seven years for and not for Leah...the first daughter of Laban. Dont you know this.... (Cant mention the seven year period as it isn;t allowed HERE because we can not discuss Daniel and its exactness) Daniel9 Matter of fact, the tribes of Israel (Jacob) came from the sons of these two wives and their two handmaidens or slaves... IE... the twelve all equal, from different mothers (4) were legitimate descendants of Jacob who became Israel, or who received the new name ISRAEL. Ill get that article of mine for you..... Puity we cant discuss Bible sexuality.... HEREIN as I am not allowed to suggest any new topics. But if you do it, I will explain much much further..... Go to New Proposed Topics, and state your question or questions.... If we built it, they will come. Love baseball.... and some its precepts apply. Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science. Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Jacob could obviously take on more than one wife, and the second one (Rachel) was the one he served seven years for and not for Leah...the first daughter of Laban Did I dispute that issue Davidjay? No I did not. Go back and read my post.
Matter of fact, the tribes of Israel (Jacob) came from the sons of these two wives and their two handmaidens or slaves... I'll note that the rest of your post does not respond to anything I asked you about. Not going to bother with you any further. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2358 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
Perhaps you will point out where the Lord told Jacob that it was okay to trick Laban and to take on that second wife. That would be interesting to see given that some folks have claimed that the Lord does not promote bigamy.
I will answer further and further, because of your insistence on deeper and deeper answers. Jacob fulfilled the week of service (7 years) for Rachel, his second wife, and finally got the wife he originally wanted, yet had to stay married to and take care of Leah. Jacob worked hard for a change and was starting his repentance....... but had to serve another 7 years for the sheep he was to take with him and his woves and handmaidens and children. Jacob was learning faithfulness and honesty and hard work...... but he had never apologised to his brother Esau. But the birthright blessing of their father to previously tricky Jacob, was and is as always due to his hearts decisions and choices rather than a mere given birthright and gift. Blessings come from our personal decisions and is not passed on through blood lineages. It may dictate the cards we get dealt but does NOT determine our decisions. One was taken the other left principle, it all depends on choices, choices choices... and Jacob turned into Israel in heart and so the Lord renamed him...Israel. If you have other questions just ask... rather than ******** *****. Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science. Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,
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Davidjay  Suspended Member (Idle past 2358 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
Nonukes, dont say 'some people say' but say what you say and feel and want answered directly. Be straightforward rather than tricky.
If you are talking about bigamy, thats a great and lengthy and worthy discussion... not a one liner..... but simply put a man (or woman) can have more than one wife (or husband). Read about Jesus, and the parables of his concerning multiple wifes, etc etc etc etc..... Read about the patriarchs as most of them had more than one wife.... etc etc etc etc.. If you want further discussions start a new TOPIC on that subject as they hate it when I suggest a new TOPIC, as they know I will attempt to answer all responses biblically and scientifically (IMHO)Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science. Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,
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Christian7 Member (Idle past 277 days) Posts: 628 From: n/a Joined: |
First of all, it says in Isaiah 53 that, "For the transgressions of my people was he stricken". Seeing we know that Israel is God's people here, you have Isaiah saying that Israel was stricken for the transgressions of Israel, which is a strange grammatical way of saying that Israel suffered for its own sins. Also, how can Israel be an offering for its own sins? In the Old Testament, animal sacrifices were made to atone for the sins of the people of Israel. That is the point here. The messiah is that sacrifice.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
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Critics will say that Isaiah was simply one of many clever stories that are mythos...created by humans. You know how the peanut gallery reasons around here. So let's examine this prophet, Isaiah.
Who Was Isaiah In The Bible? GotQuestions.org is a Christian website, though I would be interested in what PaulK or jar has to add.Edited by Admin, : Hid content. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
OK, but I didn't just want to paste the content of the link, which in essence is what I would agree with. Anyway, it's our prodigal son Guido and he is quite religious, so I was giving him something to chew on.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
You have been a member here for almost 19 years and still don't understand the rules?
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