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Faith hallucinates: wow you are really in need of EDUCATION IN READING COMPREHENSION. sad.

Duplicate.Percy? Why can't we delete our own messages? Maybe too complex in the database relationships? I can understand, but have to give a *sigh*.Edited by xongsmith, : in message

answer on Marxism vs Socialism vs Communism vs Totalitarianisms -- Message 9

Let me give Faith some help here. She's just making a big mess of things, but stats is not her strong point.I know of some high crime areas in Atlanta where if you stopped most white people and some black people, I'd expect the kind of lop sided stats you've cited here. The reality is if you don't live in those areas, which are predominately poor black areas, you probably are up to no good if you are there. I expect that the police on patrol in those areas will stop every white person they encounter that gives them a legal excuse and of course every nervous looking black person too. But because the innocent black people who are just visiting a hole in the wall Jamaican restaurant for some jerk chicken will dwarf the number of innocent whites in the area, the police are going to end up stopping mostly innocent blacks and guilty whites.Now, I cannot be sure, but that scenario may at least partially explain the stats under discussion.On the other hand, there are plenty of reasons for even the poorest person to be in a ritzy part of town, so the stats don't even up when the police decide to concentrate on people who look out of place. Poverty is a mother.

God now is it? The claim was that you reject evidence that contradicts what is written in the bible only because it is written in the bible. Do you notice the tautology?You proclaim the bible as the final truth without evidence, then refuse evidence that shows it to be in error, redardless of the strength of that evidence.Something that is irrefutable by a proclamation alone is not subject to reasonable, rational discussion and challenge. As you demonstrate daily.

Well, this is interesting. A story from the right-wing website the "Conservative Tribune". ALERT: Armed Gangs of Black Panthers Are Now Openly Patrolling Neighborhoods.What, they're openly carrying guns? But ... isn't that what militias are meant to do? Openly carrying guns, and patrolling around to keep us all safe? But wait, according to the COnservative Tribune, these guys are intimidating people by having guns. And they have the nerve to go around saying things like "This is perfectly legal".Just so's you know the difference, this is a gang intimidating people: And this is a militia of patriots exercising their first amendment rights: You can see the difference, yes? It's pretty much black and white.

I just found a great line that fits Faith and the other wingnuts.

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The constitution is one that we have in our heads and does not reflect the actual laws of the land nor the constitution itself.

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So when it manifests in behavior like this:

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Fury as Miami cops caught using photos of black teens for shooting practice - and police chief DEFENDS the officers

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Members of the North Miami Beach Police have been caught using photos of actual black teenagers for target practice.

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This was discovered during an incident last month when Sgt. Valerie Deant, a clarinet player in the Florida Army National Guard's 13th Army Band, showed up at the Medley Firearms Training Center after members of the department had been practicing, and recognized one of their targets - a mugshot of her brother from when he was just 18-years-old.

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The other targets were also black men, and some just teenagers. But now the department is defending the practice.

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'I was like why is my brother being used for target practice?' Sgt Deant told NBC 6.

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Her brother Woody, who was arrested for drag racing in 2000 and is now married with children, was just as shocked and angry, noting; 'The picture actually has like bullet holes. One in my forehead and one in my eye. I was speechless.'

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North Miami Beach Police Chief J. Scott Dennis says there is nothing wrong with this practice at all however, and even defends its use.

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'Our policies were not violated,' Dennis said.

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'There is no discipline forthcoming from the individuals who were involved with this.'

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Dennis said it is common practice to use actual mugshots, and members of the same ethnic group help with facial recognition exercises.

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So is the "policy" of using mug shots of blacks racist ... based on manifest behavior or internalized learned racism?Can you imagine how this would affect the behavior of police?Can you imagine how this would affect black police officers?Enjoy

I would suggest that the policy is not racist in origin.But I cannot imagine the mindset of someone who would shoot at those targets without questioning the policy. And it is equally hard to imagine how such a policy would survive even the tiniest amount of questioning."[Police chief] Dennis does say however that he regrets the usage of a mugshot of an actual Miami resident."A resident arrested for drag racing. And the police are practicing shooting him in the head and calling it " facial recognition exercises"? Absolutely incredible.Edited by NoNukes, : add title for police chief

How could target shooting at all black mugshots NOT be racist?Maybe if there wasn't a single white mugshot to be had...Even then shooting at faces at all ought to bother them.

Here is one hypo:What if the target was originally a practice photo lineup for the purpose of testing identity recognition? Perhaps these pages were just re-purposed for target shooting. That would provide a legitimate purpose for having all black people on a sheet. Nobody does line ups with five white guys and one black person. Maybe the white people were on a different sheet. Maybe black and white pictures of white people on a white background does not provide enough contrast for target practice at some distance? Well, guns are made for killing, and nobody would complain if they were shooting at human silhouettes. But in what way does shooting at a collection of tiny head shots simulate real life? What's the point?The practice is disgusting without even bringing up racism. It's dehumanizing and likely to lead to a lack of sensitivity that may manifest as racism.

Really? You can't even imagine a racist mindset? ("Go-o-o-o-lly, Ah'm gonna shoot me some niggas.")I'm recommending you to the Pope for a sainthood. I'm sending the email right now.

I suppose I did not mean the statement as literally as you are taking it. So the inexactness in my expression is my fault. But no, I cannot fully imagine the thought patterns of a racist who would want to 'shoot him some niggas'. I accept that such mindsets exist.But I think the target shooting more of a group think thing. I'll bet there were people in the police force who felt funny about the idea and who said nothing. Probably even some black policeman. I find that unfathomable.

How many people last year were murdered by gangs?How many people last year were murdered by first-amendment ralliers?

How many people last year were murdered by the Black Panthers?