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Jon
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Message 46 of 58 (745057)
12-18-2014 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by ringo
12-18-2014 12:24 PM


In the long run, the pushing back costs you just as much as what the company is doing. Ultimately, the individual pays for everything.

You keep telling yourself that.

And other people will keep making your life better.


Love your enemies!

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ringo
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Message 47 of 58 (745152)
12-19-2014 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Jon
12-18-2014 2:38 PM


Jon writes:

You keep telling yourself that.

And other people will keep making your life better.


Be sure and get back to us when your situation gets better.

In the meantime, maybe try to acquire the serenity to accept the things you cannot change, the courage to change the things you can and the wisdom to know the difference.


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NoNukes
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Message 48 of 58 (745411)
12-22-2014 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by petrophysics1
12-17-2014 5:01 AM


Re: Why not to be an employee
Let's see how that works compared to you or others more or less

Other than than a couple of short term stints I've always either been a contractor or a salaried employee. I am currently doing contract work of various kinds and at various rates.

I suspect that the Amazon workers are also contractors. However unlike you, they are not in position to be able to dictate their contract terms.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 49 of 58 (745412)
12-22-2014 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by ringo
12-17-2014 10:58 AM


I don't want my employer scheduling mandatory fun for me.

I'm talking about making the best of a "bad" situation.

Really? Because it looks a lot like belittling people who are forced to be in a situation they don't want to be in and calling it fun.

You're probably the guy who waits five minutes in line at the supermarket and then wastes another five minutes whining to the cashier about it. And I'm always behind you.

Your probably the guy stealing magazines out of my barber shop who acts surprised when I show him the door.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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AZPaul3
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Message 50 of 58 (745413)
12-22-2014 4:07 PM


There may be particulars of which I am unaware, but I see no fault with the employer in this situation and all gripe/piss on the part of the employees.

Caveat Emptor.

I cannot believe that an employee could not have noticed this "stand in line unpaid" situation on their very first day on the job. If you feel this is so totally unfair then you do not have to return for a second day.

Kind of like those sites that warn "By use of this site you agree to our terms and conditions." If you show up for a second day of work then you have agreed to their terms and conditions.

What this action says is after so many years, you quit, and now you want back-pay against a procedure you already agreed to? Stuff it.


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NoNukes
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Message 51 of 58 (745415)
12-22-2014 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by AZPaul3
12-22-2014 4:07 PM


I cannot believe that an employee could not have noticed this "stand in line unpaid" situation on their very first day on the job. If you feel this is so totally unfair then you do not have to return for a second day.

I think an equally valid approach is to ask to be paid for your time and to not to drop the request just because the boss says no. Although the court ruled against employers in this particular situation, other courts have found against employers in cases not hugely different.

If that fails, then quit.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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AZPaul3
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Message 52 of 58 (745420)
12-22-2014 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by NoNukes
12-22-2014 4:11 PM


I think an equally valid approach is to ask to be paid for your time and to not to drop the request just because the boss says no.

I can agree to that. Just be careful in "Right To Work" states (which actually means you have no right to work) because The Man can boot your ass for any reason whatsoever.


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Jon
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Message 53 of 58 (745475)
12-23-2014 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by AZPaul3
12-22-2014 4:47 PM


That's not what "Right to Work" means at all.

What you are talking about is "at will" employment, which means either party can sever the relationship at any time and for any reason. And people can still enter contracts which ignores "at will".

"Right to Work", on the other hand, deals specifically with unions, and allows people to work in a union shop without being forced to join the union or pay dues. Employers can then hire people who do not join the union and, over time, decrease the percentage of the workforce that is unionized to the point of being ineffective. It is much more sinister than what you describe as an employer simply being able to fire folks on a whim.

Jon

Edited by Jon, : No reason given.


Love your enemies!

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ringo
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Message 54 of 58 (745481)
12-23-2014 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by NoNukes
12-22-2014 3:53 PM


NoNukes writes:

Because it looks a lot like belittling people who are forced to be in a situation they don't want to be in and calling it fun.


I'll confess to belittling people who whine about every little convenience in life. A little belittling might serve to embiggen them.

NoNukes writes:

Your probably the guy stealing magazines out of my barber shop who acts surprised when I show him the door.


I haven't been in a barber shop since 1972.
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Jon
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Message 55 of 58 (745508)
12-23-2014 1:53 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by ringo
12-19-2014 10:39 AM


Do you feel better laughing about people getting robbed by multi-billion-dollar companies?

Love your enemies!

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 56 of 58 (745513)
12-23-2014 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Jon
12-23-2014 9:47 AM


"Right to Work", on the other hand, deals specifically with unions, and allows people to work in a union shop without being forced to join the union or pay dues.

Yeah, making me stand in line is one thing, but forcing me to join a union? Fuck that!

Do you feel better laughing about people getting robbed by multi-billion-dollar companies?

Are you talking about the Teamsters?


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AZPaul3
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Message 57 of 58 (745521)
12-23-2014 5:13 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Jon
12-23-2014 9:47 AM


It is much more sinister than what you describe as an employer simply being able to fire folks on a whim.

In Texas (abe: most of my working life was there) the "Right to Work" law contains both. Sinister, insidious, perfidious are good words to use for the "Right to Work" laws. You have no "right" to work. All employment power is with the manager (once the union dies).

This is an excellent example of the practical and profitable benefits you can enjoy when you buy a legislature. Yeah, they take a lot of maintenance but they are acquisitions no enterprise should do without.

Edited by AZPaul3, : abe


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ringo
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Message 58 of 58 (745558)
12-24-2014 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by Jon
12-23-2014 1:53 PM


Jon writes:

Do you feel better laughing about people getting robbed by multi-billion-dollar companies?


Nobody's getting robbed. They're just losing a few minutes of their time - and if they're anything like the people I see every day, they're using that time to check their messages.
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