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Message 421 of 511 (845597)
12-17-2018 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 412 by Faith
12-17-2018 2:02 PM


Re: The Faith Fact Checker
Faith writes:

Don't think I've claimed to. In any case it's irrelevant. Leftist is leftist.

It's interesting that people who want to eliminate corruption from government, prevent foreign powers from directly influencing our policies, and hold elected officials accountable to the law are now labeled as "Leftists". I guess it goes to show how depraved the Right has become.


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Message 422 of 511 (845650)
12-18-2018 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 375 by Faith
12-15-2018 3:16 PM


Money from foreign governments
Certainly true of the Clintons, yes. Uranium deal while Bill was getting hundreds of thousands for a talk there.

If you truly believe this, Faith, then you must be absolutely outraged by general Flynn accepting hundreds of thousands of dollars from Turkey & not disclosing that information, right?

"Mr Flynn also failed to register as a lobbyist for the Turkish government while he was seeking White House security clearance.

In 2016, his consultancy Flynn Intel Group was paid $530,000 for lobbying on behalf of the Turkish government - work which required him to register as "a foreign agent"."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41947451

So, Faith, please tell me what you think. You condemn this too, right?


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Message 423 of 511 (845723)
12-19-2018 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 412 by Faith
12-17-2018 2:02 PM


Re: The Faith Fact Checker
I'll reply to all your replies in this message.

Replying to Message 412:

Faith writes:

Pinocchio, a picture of Pinocchio with growing nose, means liar. Period.

It can, but in this case it means untrue. Maybe you're lying (meaning you know it's untrue), or maybe you're not (meaning you don't know it's untrue). It doesn't say either way - it just says it's untrue. Four Pinocchios means there's no shred of truth whatsoever.

You call everyone you disagree with leftist.

Untrue.

In political discussions? Sure you do. You're doing it all over the place in this thread. We're gonna have to give this four Pinocchios:

You are not defending Republicanism or conservativism

Don't think I've claimed to.

I didn't say you claimed to. I was only clarifying that you're not defending any coherent political philosophy, just the collected mess of impulsive policies Trump has cobbled together that you can call Trumpism or Trumpublican, but certainly not Republicanism or conservatism which has a long and distinguished history.

In any case it's irrelevant. Leftist is leftist.

Well, if you're going to be that constructive and mature about things, then Trumpist is Trumpist.

you're defending Trump, who is neither Republican nor conservative. His positions are a mix of his own random impulses.

Not interested in the labels.

You of all people are the most interested in labels. That's why you keep calling everyone leftist. We'll have to give you four Pinocchios again:

Yes I am defending Trump, because like others on the Right I like his policies. Trump has been boldly speaking for what we on the Right care most about since he first opened his mouth in the campaign.

The right is conservative, and Trump is not a conservative. He has only a couple positions that align with conservatism, like anti-abortion and a strong military.

He didn't talk like a politician and we like that.

He doesn't talk like a mature adult, either. Do you like that, too?

He said what we think and we like that. The more he is opposed on irrelevant side issues the more we like him and hate his opposition.

The Trump Organization, emolument violations, the Trump Foundation, the Trump Inaugural Committee, the Trump campaign, the hush money payments, obstruction of justice, and the Trump administration are all being investigated. These are not irrelevant side issues.

Replying to Message 413:

Even without anonymous sources the Trump administration is obviously in chaos. Tillerson called him a "moron," and later someone undisciplined who doesn't read, including briefing papers, and doesn't take advice. John Kelly called the Trump White House "crazytown" and Trump "an idiot" and "unhinged.

That's not Trump in chaos, that's his unhinged opposition always in meltdown mode trying to bring him down.

Trump hired people who worked, or still work, closely with him who provided a picture of a chaotic White House that does no planning, follows Trump's often misguided impulses, and caroms from one crisis to the next.


Replying to Message 414

The email from Corsi again was:

quote:

Word is friend in embassy plans 2 more dumps. One shortly after I'm back. 2nd in Oct. Impact planned to be very damaging.

Unless you're claiming clairvoyance or ESP, that single email by itself shows he was lying,

Other ways to interpret that email than that.

No, there really aren't other ways to interpret Corsi's email. If there were you would be able to describe them.


Replying to Message 415:

There was no collusion with Russia.

Anyone should know that by now, it doesn't take special powers of understanding.

Again (and again and again), what part of "Mueller is still investigating and has not yet released his report - we do not yet know what he has learned" do you not understand? I've raised this point so many times now, and you've ignored it as many times, that I have to ask, as Forrest Gump was asked, "Are you stupid?"


Replying to Message 416:

I suspect Limbaugh was talking about a different incident but I'll have to wait and see. If there was an earlier incident that would blow the whole campaign thing to bits anyway.

Well, when you figure out what the hell you're talking about you let us know, okay? In the meantime, AMI and Pecker by agreement with Trump paid off McDougal on August 5, 2016, at some point after that Trump and Cohen are recorded discussing purchase of the McDougal payoff from AMI, and Stormy Daniels was paid off at the direction of Trump by Michael Cohen through offshore shell companies a couple weeks before the election.

--Percy


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Message 424 of 511 (845744)
12-19-2018 3:35 PM


Over the past two days all news outlets (which I'll add includes Fox News, just to forestall the mindless "Fake News" claims) have reported that Judge Emmet Sullivan:

Judge Emmet Sullivan was appointed to the bench by actual Republicans (as opposed to faux Republican Trump). He was appointed to the Superior Court of DC in 1984 by Ronald Reagan, and to the DC Court of Appeals in 1992 by George H. W. Bush. I call attention to this for two reasons a) In anticipation of the objection that Sullivan is a biased judge; b) To restate the obvious that the judiciary should be politically neutral and rule according to the law, which appears to be the case the vast majority of the time. Every Trump claim of bias has been false. What is true is that when anyone does something Trump doesn't like, he will strike out at them with the worst thing he can make up.

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Clarify.


    
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Message 425 of 511 (845747)
12-19-2018 4:43 PM


The Latest Tweet from the Twit
Trump today tweeted:

quote:
The whole Russian Witch Hunt is a Fraud and a Hoax which should be ended immediately. Also, it was paid for by Crooked Hillary & DNC!

Do Trumpublicans really believe the Russian Witch Hunt, er, the Mueller probe, is funded by Hillary Clinton and the DNC? If so, why do you think Trump constantly complains about the cost of the Mueller probe?

Or is Trump just free associating while tweeting, silently switching contexts from a sentence about the Mueller probe to one about the Steele dossier?

Fox News hasn't commented on this tweet as far as I can find.

--Percy


    
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Message 426 of 511 (845756)
12-20-2018 6:16 AM


Trump Impulsively and Against All Advice Announces Syria Troop Pullout
After a meeting with a small group of advisers who all opposed the move, Trump has announced a sudden withdrawal of American troops from Syria. He did so without consultation with Congress or even his defense secretary

The move has been characterized in terms ranging from ill-advised to aiding an ISIS resurgence to being a death sentence for the Kurds. We're all in favor of bringing American troops home, but only after consideration of all the ramifications. Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) criticized the move, deeming it a "disaster in the making." Hopefully Congress can step up to the plate and exercise its war powers responsibilities.

--Percy


    
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Message 427 of 511 (845757)
12-20-2018 6:39 AM


North Korea Nuclear Problem Was Never Solved
Except for his inexplicable core base, everyone understood that Trump never solved any North Korea problem. Fox News today announced that N. Korea says it won't denuclearize unless US removes threat:

quote:

This Aug. 29, 2017, file photo by the North Korean government shows what was said to be the test launch of a Hwasong-12 intermediate-range missile in Pyongyang, North Korea. North Korea on Thursday, Dec. 20, 2018, says it will never unilaterally give up its nuclear weapons unless the United States removes its nuclear threat first.

SEOUL, South Korea – North Korea said Thursday it will never unilaterally give up its nuclear weapons unless the United States removes its nuclear threat first, a statement that raises further doubts on whether leader Kim Jong Un will ever relinquish an arsenal he may see as his greatest guarantee of survival.


Oh, gee, what a surprise, precisely what everyone (Trump base excepted) said after the summit and subsequent Mike Pompeo meetings.

--Percy


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Message 428 of 511 (845764)
12-20-2018 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 420 by Faith
12-17-2018 3:33 PM


Faith writes:

Examples of how the Democrats once sounded a lot like Trump on the subject of needing better defenses against illegal immigration.

Democrats still think the US is in need of better defenses against illegal immigration.

1. You don't think "Democrats" represents a large group of people who all exactly agree on every subject, do you? Only a 5 year old would think such a silly thing.
Any significant group of people (like... more than 20. How many "Democrats" are there? millions???) will be divided on almost every topic. The idea that "Democrats" all think one thing (or even "Republicans" for that matter) is incredibly immature, at best.

2. It is quite possible to want better defense against illegal immigration and still be against building a dumb wall that won't do anything. In fact, if you really want "better defense against illegal immigration" you really should be be against building a wall. Building a wall will not provide any additional defense against immigration at all. In fact, it may cause more issues as some may see it as a "challenge" to get over or under. It will only waste money and resources that could be spent on defenses that actually could prevent more illegal immigration (like changing the policies so that there are better background checks done on applicants.)


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Message 429 of 511 (845765)
12-20-2018 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 427 by Percy
12-20-2018 6:39 AM


Re: North Korea Nuclear Problem Was Never Solved
Percy writes:

Oh, gee, what a surprise, precisely what everyone (Trump base excepted) said after the summit and subsequent Mike Pompeo meetings.

That doesn't matter any more.

Trump's defeated ISIS. We're all safe.
No more need for a wall either, I guess...

My only question is: If all it took was Trump saying so, why didn't he just say it earlier?

Edited by Stile, : Adding link and more jokes


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Message 430 of 511 (845792)
12-21-2018 6:17 AM
Reply to: Message 429 by Stile
12-20-2018 11:17 AM


Re: North Korea Nuclear Problem Was Never Solved
See the Washington Post analysis piece, Trump’s war on basic logic. He both declared ISIS dead and threatened them with doom if they attempted any retaliation with the United States. He both declared that he needed $5 billion for his wall and that the wall is mostly built, also declaring that Mexico is already paying for the wall through revised NAFTA, and that the military would build the wall.

Nothing coherent ever comes out of the White House, except, "It's all about me."

--Percy


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Message 431 of 511 (845793)
12-21-2018 6:43 AM


Jim Mattis Resigns
Yesterday Defense Secretary Jim Mattis tendered his resignation, effective in February, citing disagreements over policy with Trump. Disagreements with Trump over the Syria and Afghanistan troop withdrawals are thought the motivating factors for the timing, and Mattis specifically mentioned Trump's rocky relationships with allies and amiable (almost schmuck-like in my opinion) ones with adversaries. Excerpts from the Mattis resignation letter:

quote:
One core belief I have always held is that our strength as a nation is inextricably linked to the strength of our unique and comprehensive system of alliances and partnerships. While the US remains the indispensable nation in the free world, we cannot protect our interests or serve that role effectively without maintaining strong alliances and showing respect to those allies.
...
My views on treating allies with respect and also being clear-eyed about both malign actors and strategic competitors are strongly held and informed by over four decades of immersion in these issues. We must do everything possible to advance an international order that is most conducive to our security, prosperity and values, and we are strengthened in this effort by the solidarity of our alliances.

Because you have the right to have a Secretary of Defense whose views are better aligned with yours on these and other subjects, I believe it is right for me to step down from my position.


Some of the headlines:

There are no adults left in the room.

--Percy


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Message 432 of 511 (845909)
12-22-2018 8:56 AM
Reply to: Message 431 by Percy
12-21-2018 6:43 AM


Re: Jim Mattis Resigns
I agree that this marks the beginning of the end for President Trump. Hopefully it wont mark the end for the rest of us.
Losing Mattis Is a Disaster for Trump
"The president doesn’t seem to realize the risks he’s now facing."

Jonathan Bernstein writes:

Mattis’s resignation is, very simply, unmatched in living memory. There were executive-branch resignations to protest Bill Clinton’s welfare reforms, and Jimmy Carter lost a secretary of state over a foreign-policy decision. This was different. Mattis wasn’t complaining about a single policy, or even a set of policies; his resignation letter was a rejection of Trump’s entire worldview and core values.(...)The letter was carefully crafted. Had Mattis merely singled out Syria or Afghanistan policy, he might’ve divided Trump’s opponents, some of whom are very much in favor of bringing troops home. Instead, he aligned himself with the broader foreign-policy consensus of those who support NATO and other international arrangements, leaving Trump on the fringes. In historical terms, Mattis is with Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman and Dwight Eisenhower; Trump is with (at best) Henry Wallace or the Birchers.

I read a lot of informed opinion pieces similar to this one (and the links you provided) and coupled this news with the economic correction (some say next recession) along with the looming government shutdown. It does not look good.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
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Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Message 433 of 511 (846713)
01-10-2019 3:17 PM


More Fake News from Fox
Today Fox News asked: Media acknowledged ‘epic’ border crisis under Obama – what changed?. The story reminds us that Obama declared a border crisis back in 2014 and requested $3.7 billion to deal with it, and then makes the case that nothing has changed since then except that Trump is president. It implies that Democrats acknowledged a border crisis when Obama was president and hypocritically deny it now that Trump is president.

Obama did declare a border crisis in 2014 and requested $3.7 billion. That much is all true. But Obama did not want the funds for a wall. He wanted them for additional detention centers, more immigration judges, more border patrols, more air surveillance, and humanitarian aid for some Central American countries to help them repatriate their citizens. And he didn't tell any lies. The Republicans, despite having provided the impetus by calling upon Obama to take stronger action, shot down his request.

But Trump wants $5.7 billion for a wall, and he justifies it with claims that criminals, terrorists and drug dealers are flooding across our southern border. These are all lies. The only criminal act of most "criminals" is crossing the border. Most illegal immigration occurs through overstaying visas, not by an illegal crossing of our southern border. Drugs primarily enter the country through legal border crossings. Only 6 terrorists have been apprehended at our southern border, while most (several thousand) are apprehended at airports (I think the time period is Trump's presidency). Additional wall or fencing is a very expensive solution for problems it can't fix.

There's also concern about Trump's anti-humanitarian approaches to the border problem, like family separation and cutting off aid to the Central American countries from which the migrants come.

Also, fewer migrants are trying to cross the border under Trump than under Obama.

Fox News might want to try telling the truth and dealing with their own hypocrisy before making such accusations.

--Percy


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Message 434 of 511 (846714)
01-10-2019 5:10 PM
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01-10-2019 3:17 PM


Re: More Fake News from Fox
Percy writes:

Today Fox News asked: Media acknowledged ‘epic’ border crisis under Obama – what changed?. The story reminds us that Obama declared a border crisis back in 2014 and requested $3.7 billion to deal with it, and then makes the case that nothing has changed since then except that Trump is president. It implies that Democrats acknowledged a border crisis when Obama was president and hypocritically deny it now that Trump is president.

Let's also not lose sight of the number of illegal crossings in the Obama years as compared to the Trump years:

Illegal crossings now are a fraction of what they were when Obama declared an emergency.

Edited by Taq, : No reason given.


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Message 435 of 511 (846715)
01-10-2019 8:18 PM
Reply to: Message 433 by Percy
01-10-2019 3:17 PM


Re: More Fake News from Fox
Both Hillary and Schumer specifically asked for a "barrier" in their own speeches about the glaring need to stop the endless stream of illegal aliens. Many billions were also discussed, far exceeding Trump's mere five or so. I've heard so many such quotes recently I've forgotten who said it all, but Bill Clinton, Hillary, Schumer, Pelosi, Obama and others are all on tape sounding a lot like Trump on the subject over the years from 1995 to Obama. Since there is a leftist blockade of such information in the usual media you'd have to go to the right wing to get this information.

In his speech Trump made it clear that the experts and the people most involved with border problems favor a wall. It's stupid to pretend it's "too expensive" when tens to hundreds of billions go to less worthy projects all the time, INCLUDING BILLIONS TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEMS CAUSED BY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, NOT EVEN COUNTING THE COSTS OF THE DRUG PROBLEMS THEY BRING WITH THEM. THEY ACCOUNT FOR ALL KINDS OF COSTS BECAUSE OF CRIME AND THE IDIOTIC "RIGHT" TO OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS GIVEN TO THEM FOR WELFARE AND MEDICAL COSTS NOT EVEN GIVEN TO CITIZENS, BECAUSE THEY COME HERE UNABLE TO SUPPORT THEMSELVES, which ought to be a minimal requirement for immigrants. And it's stupid to deny that a wall works when so many Democrats have favored it until Trump wanted it.

Also family separation was the policy under Obama, not just Trump. Funny how Democrats can get away with such stuff but when Trump does exactly the same thing he's vilified for it.

It's the Left who are the hypocrites. Listen to Limbaugh, Hannity, Shapiro, Mark Levin, Michael Savage for a while. You are so deceived it's pathetic.

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