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Learn the basics Faith. Your link does not tell the true story as usual.Go and learn the basics Faith and stop posting nonsense.How can either of those add to the debt or the deficit?Simple questions unless you refuse to learn the basics.

Good grief, man, I'm talking abnout what I read at the link, go read it.The money that goes to those programs is part of the yearly deficit. The yearly deficit is what keeps increasing the National Debt. Good grief, stop attacking for something I never claimed to be an expert in anyway, and something you are just blowing hot air about.

Lot of speculation there you aren't bothering to prove. The knjown statistics show unemployment way down and that many people off food stamps.

That is simply not true and by law impossible.Go learn the basics, stuff that middle schoolers should know.

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The money that goes to those programs is part of the yearly deficit.

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Can you please stop confusing spending and deficit? It’s not exactly difficult to understand.

Even if what you are saying is true, what then? If you tax the rich there will be even less jobs and a lot more people on welfare type programs? Is that your solution?

Sorry, I though it was spending that was causing the deficit. Spending on entitlement programs, spending on the military, spending. When people go into debt it's from spending more than they can pay. Elementary economics there. If it isn't spending what is it?

They didn't move out when their taxes were much, much higher. The rich don't create a significant number of jobs. Trump's tax cuts went almost exclusively to stock buybacks and executive/individual compensation. There was no effect on the rate of job creation. No, it's not clear at all. Neither you nor I can. How about our children and grandchildren? Will they have the assets to retire or will they never retire and die in harness?

There's really no point in having this discussion. Nobody knows anything, it's really all based on partisan politics as everything is these days.

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Sorry, I though it was spending that was causing the deficit.

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The deficit is from spending MORE money than comes in. Spending may be largely fixed but a lot of the problem is Trump cutting the government’s income, and the rest is adding spending.Don’t you think that doing both together is a bad idea ?

I don't know how you continue to get this so wrong. You've got to start thinking about hearsay instead of just arguing about it. I think you probably just continue to argue not because you care what hearsay actually is, but just because of how easy it is to dismiss testimony by calling it hearsay. "It's hearsay," job done, no thought required.Obviously what you seek is eyewitnesses to Trump demanding that the Ukrainians announce investigations of the Bidens, but for the most part we don't have that. Certainly those who testified did not give hearsay evidence about it. The true eyewitness were barred by Trump from all cooperation with the House impeachment investigation. That's why one of the articles of impeachment is Obstruction of Congress.But there is still some eyewitness (more like earwitness) testimony of Trump trying to get the Ukraine to announce investigations into the Bidens. David Holmes overheard a conversation between Gordon Sondland, who he was sitting with at an outdoor table at a restaurant, and Donald Trump, who was either speaking loudly or Sondland had the volume on his phone turned up it. In any case, David Holmes testified that he could hear Trump clearly over the cellphone. Here's his testimony of that phone call. None of it is hearsay:

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While Ambassador Sondland's phone was not on speaker phone, I could hear the President's voice through the ear piece of the phone. The President's voice was very loud and recognizable, and Ambassador Sondland held the phone away from his ear for a period of time presumably because of the loud volume.

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I heard Ambassador Sondland greet the President and explain that he was calling from Kyiv. I heard President Trump then clarify that Ambassador Sondland was in Ukraine. Ambassador Sondland replied, yes, he was in Ukraine, and went on to state that President Zelensky, quote, unquote, loves your ass.

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I then heard President Trump ask, quote, "So he's going to do the investigation?" unquote. Ambassador Sondland replied that, "He's going to do it," adding that President Zelensky will, quote, "Do anything you ask him to."

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Even though I did not take notes of these statements, I had a clear recollection that these statements were made. I believe that my colleagues who were sitting at the table also knew that Ambassador Sondland was speaking with the President.
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After the end of the call, Ambassador Sondland remarked that the President was in a bad mood. As Ambassador Sondland stated, it was often the case early in the morning.

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I then took the opportunity to ask Ambassador Sondland for his candid impression of the President's views on Ukraine. In particular, I asked Ambassador Sondland if it was true that the President did not give a shit about Ukraine. Ambassador Sondland agreed that the President did not give a shit about Ukraine.

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I asked why not, and Ambassador Sondland stated that the President only cares about, quote, unquote, "big stuff." I noted that there was, quote, unquote, big stuff going on in Ukraine, like a war with Russia. And Ambassador Sondland replied that he meant, quote, unquote, "big stuff" that benefits the President, like the, quote, unquote, "Biden investigation" that Mr. Giuliani was pushing.

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None of that is hearsay. It's all the earwitness testimony about a cellphone conversation David Holmes overheard between Gordon Sondland and President Trump. If you think any of it is hearsay then describe what portions and we can further discuss it.Let me anticipate that you'll think it's hearsay when David Holmes comments about Giuliani pushing the Biden investigation. It's not. Holmes is only relating what he heard Sondland say. He did not say anything like, "I know Giuliani was pushing the Biden investigation because Ambassador Sondland said so." Had he said anything like that then that would have been hearsay.But while David Holmes testimony is not hearsay, neither is it direct evidence of presidential malfeasance. For that we have Gordon Sondland's testimony. But even that isn't as detailed as we would like. For that we need the testimony of Bolton, Mulvaney and Pompeo, and probably Perry could also be helpful.--Percy

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There's really no point in having this discussion. Nobody knows anything, it's really all based on partisan politics as everything is these days.

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Well no. That’s just you. And if you stopped pretending that the truth is partisan politics you might do a lot better here.

Anyone can learn how Social Security and Medicare are funded Faith and by law neither can possibly contribute to either the deficit or the debt.Learn the basics faith! Both can ONLY be paid out from funds that are in Trust Funds. Neither can be paid out in amounts greater than what is in those Trust Funds. Neither can contribute to either debt or deficit.Stop believing the charlatans and conmen Faith. They are as dishonest as the Apologists.

Good riddance. Which they have not done with the tax refunds, so no loss there. Which they also have not done. Most job creation is done by small businesses, not corporations. Which Trumpski expanded by giving away tax money and increasing the military budget. Another hypocrite that votes republican but depends on Democrat programs they could not live without. What will you do if Republicans cut these programs, vote for them again because they helped you become poorer? Another "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" ... Except it is clearly not the case when people are working 2 or 3 jobs to survive. The true welfare queens are the big corporations that pay no taxes. You've swallowed their propaganda. Nope. What's clearly better for the economy is a minimum living wage so that people working 40 hours a week get honest compensation for their time and work.Every place that raises the minimum wage see a local economic boost, with more jobs being created and more people staying at their jobs so companies have less expenditure on training new workers.Plus every person that gets a living wage job no longer needs to work multiple jobs to survive, opening up jobs for other workers to take, and unemployment is lowered as a result.PLUS the number of people on food stamps etc is reduced because they no longer need such assistance to compensate for the starvation wages currently being paid.That's how you get people off public assistance, Faith, not by cutting programs.The data is there. Compare blue and red states. Blue states pay net (taxes-assistance) to the Federal Government while red states are net receivers of aid. Because GOP economics is based on false models and no regard for workers health and happiness.Here's a question for you: how fast is a dollar spent if you give it to:

• a bum on the street
• a person working starvation wages
• a person with a living wage
• a person with a 5 figure salary
• a person with a 6 figure salary
• ...
• a billionaire

Hint: it's an inverse relationship running from "within an hour" to "almost never" -- think of their relative need to spend it.Enjoy

Conservative George Will has an opinion piece in today's Washington Post where he explains why truth has no reason to fear information (https://www.washingtonpost.com/...6a-083d01b3ed18_story.html):

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Begin with this principle: Information is inherently good. Granted, government secrecy is sometimes necessary, and reticence, in government as elsewhere, can be a lubricant of harmony and accommodation. Still, the general rule regarding information is: The more the merrier. The impeachment process has produced granular details about what the president did regarding Ukraine, and about his manner of doing things, and about the grifters he attracts just as magnets attract iron filings.

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He closes by explaining why Trump's particular style is so effective at deflecting both criticism and examination:

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Since he entered politics in 2015, he has enjoyed immunity through profusion: His nonstop torrent of lies, distortions, slanders and historical claptrap has prevented prolonged scrutiny of anything. This has helped him weather the impeachment squall. Millions of Americans respond to yet another batch of presidential mendacities about yet another sordid presidential action by thinking: This is not news. They are, in some sense, correct.

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--Percy