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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What would a man have to do to prove that He is God, or equal to God? Can see no way it could be done. Silly question. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5877 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
and how did we arrive at assumptions to begin with? Funny thing huh? Humanity with very few exceptions just seems to believe that these things are good. You touched it in your added line at the bottom:Convictions are very different from intentions. Convictions are something God gives us that we have to do. Intentions are things that we ought to do, but we never follow through with them. I'd put it this way:Hebrews 10:16 "This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds." Heb 12:1-2...let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us. Very good! It is good to get back to basics...
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5877 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
Can see no way it could be done. Silly question. Well it all depends on the attitude of the observer doesn't it jar? Physical light is defined in some ways by the observers choice of experiment to measure it. In the same way, truth (metahysical light) is defined by the observer. If you insist on that light being what you want it to be, you have that right. Just remember this my orange brother... manipulating reality is not the same thing as creating it [edit in] [or changing it other than in relation to you.] Edited by scottness, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well it all depends on the attitude of the observer doesn't it jar? Physical light is defined in some ways by the observers choice of experiment to measure it. In the same way, truth (metahysical light) is defined by the observer. If you insist on that light being what you want it to be, you have that right. Just remember this my orange brother... manipulating reality is not the same thing as creating it. Pointless blather and totally off topic nonsense. The Topic is "How do you prove you are God?" To say that it depends on the attitude of the observer is to abandon any legitimacy of such a proof. If you happen to think there is a way to "... prove you are God..." then present it so we can examine such so called "proof".
In the same way, truth (metahysical light) is defined by the observer. How absurd. Truth is defined by the observer? So there is no TRUTH. Truth depends on the observer. What does it have to do with the topic? What absolute jabberwocky. Your last sentence is particularly silly and inane. What does "Just remember this my orange brother... manipulating reality is not the same thing as creating it" have to do with the topic? What the hell does it even mean? Do you ever post anything on topic? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5877 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
Do you ever post anything on topic?
The point is... you wouldn't acknowledge it if I did! And there is nothing I can do to change that. Absolute denial is not a position that can be defeated. You win! Somebody give the orange guy in the red corner a prize! You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. You can't teach an old dog new tricks. Is such a simple concept not within your grasp? I tried to put in more intelligent terms, but you won't have that either. So go on with your accusations. Say your peace... It's old hat. Others will eat it up and enjoy the laugh, but not me. I didn't start this thread to prove that God can prove He is God, or that a man can prove He is God or equal to God. I am asking you... And you said He can't! You said it's a silly question. Sounds to me like your minds made up... Period! I think it is obvious at this point to everyone that I believe He did Prove it! But if He can't prove it to you because He gives you the choice not to believe, what can I do for you? You make demands that you know cannot be served just to taunt and humiliate. Your appeals to the jury's ignorance are corrupt. Your stacked deck is deceptive. And you are carried away only to seek companionship and be honored for your wit. And you think it's a just reward for your charm, but you have been beaten by your own friends. Deceived by your own duplicity. You trample on yourself. You delight in death. Matthew 5:13 "You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men. You don't get it? Good grief! Edited by scottness, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You make demands that you know cannot be served just to taunt and humiliate. Your appeals to the jury's ignorance are corrupt. Your stacked deck is deceptive. And you are carried away only to seek companionship and be honored for your wit. And you think it's a just reward for your charm, but you have been beaten by your own friends. Deceived by your own duplicity. You trample on yourself. You delight in death. What does any of that have to do with the topic?
I didn't start this thread to prove that God can prove He is God, or that a man can prove He is God or equal to God. What is the topic again? I thought it was "How do you prove you are God?"
I think it is obvious at this point to everyone that I believe He did Prove it! Personal belief is fine. No one argues with ones belief. Proof though is another matter. Even a belief that something is proved means nothing more than any other belief.
I am asking you... And you said He can't! You said it's a silly question. Sounds to me like your minds made up... Period! Well, no, that is NOT what I said. Once again you simply misquote me. I said in Message 16, "Can see no way it could be done. Silly question." That is called an on topic response to the question "How do you prove you are God?" I don't need proof for my belief. In fact if we could "prove GOD" all it would mean is that GOD is reduced to another data point. You don't get it? Good grief! Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
scottness writes: I think it is obvious at this point to everyone that I believe He did Prove it! So there's no need to have a topic to discuss your belief, is there? The topic that you did propose asked the question:
quote: The answer is simple, and you keep ignoring it. To prove himself equal to God, a man would have to give the same proof that God has given.Now, all you have to do is show us that proof, point by point, and allow us to match it. Otherwise, you're just stacking the deck in favour of your own beliefs.That doesn't say much for the strength of your convictions. Edited by Ringo, : Spelling. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5877 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
jar
Well, no, that is NOT what I said. Once again you simply misquote me. I said in Prove God? Damn unlikely. (Message 16), "Can see no way it could be done. Silly question." Your right. I apologize... I didn't notice the 'Damn unlikely' part. Got my dander up before I read it all. Thought I was over that... Damn pride won't die without a fight! jarI don't need proof for my belief. In fact if we could "prove GOD" all it would mean is that GOD is reduced to another data point. I am not suggesting that kind of proof either. Just enough to make placing our faith in Him reasonable and intelligent. But I would be lying if I did not say that after I did, I met Him on some mindblowing level. I believe He gives everyone what they need. Perhpas I am more like Thomas than some... If you can't tell by the leftover coarse nature, I had a very hard heart. It took a miracle to break it. And some confrontationally-honest preaching! jar You don't get it? Good grief! Sometimes?
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5877 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
To prove himself equal to God, a man would have to give the same proof that God has given Well God knew we were not relating well to his transcendant proofs (As Kant said, 'the starry host above, and the moral law within') and we were heaping up quite a debt that we could never pay. So He sent his Son, so that we could relate to Him as a man. A very unique man. And he paid for our sins. I was hoping you'd make the extensions yourself...
So there's no need to have a topic to discuss your belief, is there? I thought this was a faith and belief thread. Would you welcome or entertain my beliefs elsewhere, or are they always off topic and inadmissable as testimonial evidence? Edited by scottness, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
scottness writes: Would you welcome or entertain my beliefs elsewhere, or are they always off topic and inadmissable as testimonial evidence? I didn't say your beliefs were off-topic. I said it's redundant to keep repeating them when you admit that we all already know what you believe.
... God knew we were not relating well to his transcendant proofs.... You're evading the issue. If you accept God's transcendent proofs, then the same logic requires you to accept mine. You haven't made any distinction between God and me. Edited by Ringo, : Fixed quote. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5877 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
You're evading the issue. If you accept God's transcendent proofs, then the same logic requires you to accept mine. I didn't know you created the starry host above and the moral law within. Why didn't you say so...
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5877 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
You know Ringo, you can tear me down all you want. Interogate, rebel against, not believe, scorn etc...
I am just a baffoon like you. A man with weaknesses and issues. A sinner. A banned preacher who snuck back in and deceived like the lowly creature He is. Did you see 'The Lord of the Rings'? I was in that movie. I don't know how to spell it but my name is Smeegle! I don't preach myself. I point to Christ... I am not even worthy to do that. Get the point? You can't condemn a condemned man. I'm like the thief on the cross trying to tell you that your crucifying the messiah, and your yelling, 'proove it!' and not believing me because I am condemned. I just don't know what to tell you...
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
scottness writes: I didn't know you created the starry host above and the moral law within. I did. That fellow "Yahweh" is an imposter.
Why didn't you say so... Now, that's off-topic. It belongs in the "I met God" thread.
...you can tear me down all you want. Interogate, rebel against, not believe, scorn etc... Thanks. Maybe later. For now, I'm answering the question that you asked in the OP - but you seem strangely reluctant to discuss your own topic. You asked, "How do you prove you are God?" I'm answering, "Tell me what proof you require of your God, and I'll provide it." Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5981 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
scottness writes: What would a man have to do to prove that He is God, or equal to God? I can give you a simple answer; he would have to love me...know me, understand me, accept me, relate to me, enjoy being with me, be patient with me, show me new things, delight in things I do well. All of that, all of the time. No human does that, at least none I have met. On the other hand, if someone came up to me and started moving things in the heavens, and the earth was not thrown out of orbit or something crazy, I would have to think he drugged me, hypnotized me, created an illusion with demonic powers...well, I would be pretty sure that he was awesome, but not sure that God wasn't just letting him work a miracle.
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5877 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
"Tell me what proof you require of your God, and I'll provide it." He would never speak an untruth. He would perform miracles unmatched by any magician for the benefit of others and not his own fame. He would help me see my errors even when I want to deny them. Give me the strength to admit it. Forgive me, and then die for my errors instead of me. Only God would do that.
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