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Hangdawg13 Member (Idle past 782 days) Posts: 1189 From: Texas Joined: |
Thank you for your reply.
Jar, I think this is a good discussion as it is comparing Sidelined's humanist(?) morals with Christian morals to discover parallels or diversions.
Preoccupation with self is again something that is necessary in reaching a full life. I disagree. Preoccupation with Christ is what is necessary in reaching a full life. To do this you cannot be preoccupied with yourself. But you cannot understand this, because you have not experienced it. You may think you are living a full life, but you are only half alive. How do I know? I've talked to people like you who eventually converted and discovered what it truly meant to be occupied with Christ and I have experienced it myself.
There are unavoidable occasions where life neccesitates selfishness because there is only so much time you can devote to any one thing without it being a detriment to other areas of your life. True, we must do things for ourselves. But the issue is not what we do, but why we do it. What is our motivation? You (the humanist) are motivated by life's pleasures or by helping others who need you or for the advancement of society. The Christian is motivated in all things by love for God. Getting back to lust: another way to look at it is that lust is the belief that obtaining a certain thing will make you happier. Lust/arrogance is also the source of all frustration. A humble person occupied with God is never frustrated. As Paul says, "I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation."
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well let's look for a second at what Confucius says about Lust.
Confucius said, "There are three things which the superior man guards against. In youth, when the physical powers are not yet settled, he guards against lust. When he is strong and the physical powers are full of vigor, he guards against quarrelsomeness. When he is old, and the animal powers are decayed, he guards against covetousness." Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Rand Al'Thor Inactive Member |
I disagree. Preoccupation with Christ is what is necessary in reaching a full life. To do this you cannot be preoccupied with yourself. But you cannot understand this, because you have not experienced it. You may think you are living a full life, but you are only half alive. How do I know? I've talked to people like you who eventually converted and discovered what it truly meant to be occupied with Christ and I have experienced it myself. And what of people that were once christians and stopped believing? I have yet to hear of an Atheist that has never believed in god at one point or another. If life is so very different and better if you believe in god why would these people ever stop believing? If ten thousand persons with Ph.D.'s say porn does not harm kids this means they are secret pedophiles and brazen liars. -Willowtree
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5939 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
Hangdawg13
I disagree. Preoccupation with Christ is what is necessary in reaching a full life. To do this you cannot be preoccupied with yourself Then we agree to disagree.However, I think it is arrogance on your part to assume that you know any person well enough to propose that your life is any fuller than theirs.
I've talked to people like you who eventually converted and discovered what it truly meant to be occupied with Christ and I have experienced it myself. Again this is arrogant since the people who converted could just as easily be telling you such as a matter of social pressure while in your company. Your own point of view is meaningless since the fact remains that you cannot know the actual state of mind of the people to whom you speak. A person could just as easily be looking for accepance of a group and merely plays the role of a "christian".
But the issue is not what we do, but why we do it. What is our motivation? You (the humanist) are motivated by life's pleasures or by helping others who need you or for the advancement of society. The Christian is motivated in all things by love for God. Love of God. Let us see. You claim to love something that you cannot give evidence of but insist is real. Other christians I have talked to state that God is love. So are we saying here that you are motivated by love for love?OK.So now what are the boundaries concerning your relationship with your fellow man? Do you act differently than you did before becoming a christian and,if so,why and in what way? A humble person occupied with God is never frustrated. As Paul says, "I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation." Oh,good Paul says that he is always content.Being as we have known Paul his whole life and watched him in all his interactions with people we can be certain that this is a true statement.
Getting back to lust: another way to look at it is that lust is the belief that obtaining a certain thing will make you happier. I have never followed lust with the idea that it would make me happier and truth be told half the time it does not but I followed it just the same and I do not regret the paths that I have followed since they are the only ones that I was content to attend. Regret is for people who believe that one path offers more or less happiness than another when all it offers is simply another path.
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
Mike writes: I fI have ignored anything please give an in-depth explanation. Me writes: enjoy the following encore presentation Mike writes: So we've established that adhering to Christ's words is always a part of being christian. Freakin. Classic. "Egos drone and pose alone, Like black balloons, all banged and blown On a backwards river the infidels shiver in the stench of belief. And tell my mama I'm a hundred years late; I'm over the rails and out of the race The crippled psalms of an age that won't thaw are ringing in my ears" -Beck
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Hangdawg13 Member (Idle past 782 days) Posts: 1189 From: Texas Joined: |
If life is so very different and better if you believe in god why would these people ever stop believing? Oh I don't know, perhaps bad things happen to them and they don't see God helping them, or perhaps they start to think that only empirical proof of something qualifies it as fact and the ultimate truth can never be known, or perhaps they are just grotesque cynics and doubt everything. It takes knowledge and application of Bible doctrine in good faith for life to be "so very different and better". Few people stick with it tenaciously enough to make a difference. And even if they do, all people are suceptible to arrogance, the rejection of God and truth.
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
Hey Dan, I'm sorry about my comments about people who act goons not being intelligent. I shouldn't have said that because that is not relevant to your character. Because you are always a goon .
Whereas, these others are just partakers of the goondom for quantum nano- seconds during self-deluded states, in the realm of the phantom postage sector. But I mean that in a nice way cos actually you do make posting more fun, so my comments were unnecessary. As for SleepingDragon - there's no helping him out of his bum, and he now thinks that pooh smells nice, and beautiful odours are wrongful. Besides this we have been spanked for off topic rint rant. So hey what can I do? I feel we would never resolve the increasing and hard threatening manifold, bold old soul that transits our wormhole.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You found whatever's stash I see.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
my comments were unnecessary. On this, we agree wholeheartedly. "Egos drone and pose alone, Like black balloons, all banged and blown On a backwards river the infidels shiver in the stench of belief. And tell my mama I'm a hundred years late; I'm over the rails and out of the race The crippled psalms of an age that won't thaw are ringing in my ears" -Beck
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
Be fair, you did call me an idiot. So stop milking my cow.
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
lust for a 6 time winner? Now that's lust!!! A prime example of excess but no satisfaction. But what say ye about the time trial stage up Alpe D'huez? You can answer in my new topic, "Who will win the tour de France". Here; Tour This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 07-12-2004 02:28 PM
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
But all of these people espouse wildly different philosophies.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: ...except that our society has always created rules of behavior that are best for the group. There are consequences to ignoring those rules. See how being without God makes no difference WRT behavior?
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Keeps it interesting.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
With that I definitely agree.
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