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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
candle2 writes:
I took a logic class and got an A+. I also have a cousin named Murray.
I took two philosophy classes at Murray State. candle2 writes:
'Prove' in the sense of 'test'. 80-proof liquor has been tested to be 40% alcohol. God tell His followers to prove everything. But you DON'T test everything. If you tested prayer, you would conclude that it doesn't work. You even have fancy doctrines that tell you NOT to test God.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
candle2 writes:
When they ate the "forbidden" fruit, they obtained the moral character. God said so Himself:
... they did not possess the unflappablemoral character required to govern without sin. quote:i.e when Adam and Eve tested the fruit, they gained moral character. candle2 writes:
That's E gregious. Remember, A means 'not', so you're claiming sin is NOT gregious. Sin is so agregious...Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
How does your 9 IQ qualify you to know anything? What makes you qualified to know what a godless universe looks like?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
So IS... a worm, or a thistle. Mere existence is not a very impressive feat. I AM that I AM.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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I had an uncle who was a commercial salmon fishermen. On his day off, he'd go trout fishing.
Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie |
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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candle2 writes:
You have no idea what I know.
Ringo, you have no idea what the Bible says about death. candle2 writes:
You're confusing what I know with your opinions. All I know about your opinions is what you post here. I point out where what you post is wrong.
You do not fully understand what death is. candle2 writes:
What conviction would that be? I haven't told you about any convictions.
You lack the courage of your conviction. candle2 writes:
The punchline to one of my favorite jokes: I don't have to run faster than the bear. I only have to run faster than you. Phat stated that you understood the Bible, and comparedto him, he could be right. People can decide for themselves whether I'm ahead of Phat. And they can decide for themselves whether I'm ahead of you. You and Phat both like to blow your own horns. (Maybe you should be in the band instead of on the track team.) I'll just let people decide from my posts how smart or stupid I am.
candle2 writes:
I don't claim to "understand" what the Bible says. I claim to be able to read what the Bible says. A lot of people, like Phat and you, try to tell me it doesn't say what it says. For many believers, "understanding" the Bible means juggling it.
But, if someone lacks the understanding of all that deathconstitutes, how in the world can they claim to understand anything the Bible says? candle2 writes:
I don't have any "conviction" about the dead, so it doesn't require any courage: The dead are dead. It's a different set of chemical reactions. The life reactions are sustainable as long as there is input of food, oxygen, etc. The death reactions are sustainable as long as the once-alive chemicals last. (They are usually eaten by other living things.) After that, they tend to become just non-living chemicals.
I doubt that you will have the courage to state yourconviction of the state of the dead. candle2 writes:
I do. He's a farmer. He says that farmers that don't return chemicals to the land are just mining the soil. Most likely you will reply with some ridiculous commentabout you having a cousin named Murray. I'm trying to be interesting because you're not.
candle2 writes:
He did. He was also a vegetarian - but that wasn't his biggest fault.
Or that Hitler loved his dog. candle2 writes:
And guess what? The other 60% is something else. (I hope I'm not too far over your head with the math.) Or that 80-proof liquor is 40% alcohol. So... are you going to actually discuss the Bible? Or are you just going to be my straight-man? I can go either way.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
I'd fire him. You would likely argue with Him, though...telling Him He was slacking on the job! If I employ somebody whose resume includes omnipotence, I expect a lot.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
You have an imaginary boyfriend.
You will accuse us of making up the messenger as we go, but the fact is, we believe we have a relationship with the messenger... Phat writes:
Not "beyond the book". You have rejected the book. Your imaginary messenger is a belittled version of the book.
*in* the book above and beyond the book itself. Phat writes:
You're crazy. ...call me crazy.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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candle2 writes:
You keep pretending you know what I "fully understand".
Ringo, you do not fully understand how the wordagnostic has evolved over the years. candle2 writes:
Of course. Whether I identify as "tall" depends on how tall the people around me are. I have attended several classes where those whoidentified themselves as agnostics viewed themselves as such based on differing reasons. candle2 writes:
That would be me. There is no way to know whether He exists or not. Of course, it also applies to YOU, too. No matter how firmly you pretend to believe, you do not know. candle2 writes:
What on earth do evolutionists have to do with it?
Many evolutionists identify with the third deffinition. candle2 writes:
I don't think you know what you're talking about.
Christopher Hitchens believed in the existence of God. candle2 writes:
I think the God described by most Christians would be cruel and uncaring if He existed.
He just believed that God was cruel and uncaring. candle2 writes:
It sounds like you hate Christopher Hitchens passionately.
He hated God with a passion that burned red hot. candle2 writes:
So you're another one of those who gets his "Satan" from Dante and Milton. In the Bible, Satan is God's henchman. See the book of Job. He devoted his life to Satan's cause.... So... are you ever going to actually DISCUSS any of these things?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
candle2 writes:
I don't know how you could say that. Adam walked with God and talked with God. Practically nobody in the Bible had as intimate a relationship with God as Adam did.
Adam did not have access to God's Holy Spirit. candle2 writes:
In Genesis 3, God himself said that Adam and Eve had become like Him. They clearly did "develop Godly character". But they didn't do it by having "access to God's Holy Spirit". They did it by essentially defying Him. Without God's Holy Spirit it is impossible to develop Godly character.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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candle2 writes:
Not at all. Do you understand the difference between knowing and understanding? For example, I know what you are saying but I don't understand why you would think it's true.
At least you admit that you don't understand the Bible.You say you know it, but don't understand it. This is similar to a medical doctor saying that he knows medicine but doesn't understand it. candle2 writes:
You claim to know what I know and don't know but I have never said anything like that.
If one believes that humans are immortal, or that wehave an immortal soul, or that our spirit lives on, then they must believe that many humans will spend eternity in hell. candle2 writes:
I think you're actually going at it in the opposite direction. You have decided what you think "God's nature" is - and you have reverse-engineered from that what He "must mean" by death.
Knowing what God means by death is absolutely anecessity for understanding God's nature. candle2 writes:
You manage to go on and on a lot about what I only intended as a throw-away line.
As for 80 proof, I understand it quite well. candle2 writes:
In fact, that is EXACTLY the way the Bible uses the word "prove" - test. In any event, God didn't have whiskey on His mind whenHe told us to prove all things. Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
candle2 writes:
They can build hate against something that they BELIEVE exists.
But, I knew that He existed. No one can build that muchhate and animosity against someone that doesn't exist. candle2 writes:
Again, I don't think you know what you're talking about. Many so-called evolutionists are onrecord stating that they simply could not accept the existence of God because it would interfere with their way of living. Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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