Should a Deist pray? Response to jar's idea of God.

On a couple of threads, I have heard people advance basically a Deist concept of God, namely that God created the physical laws of the universe and then let it run it's course, and has nothing at all to do with creating the specific designs of biological life and mankind. Mankind is thus not created in His image.My question is if one believes this is God's stance towards the world, why would someone pray and appeal to God? In other words, if God wishes to remain uninvolved, why would someone think God would listen to and answer prayers?The principle, as expressed by jar, seems to be God is not involved at all in the direction of the universe and the design of biological life. Being that's the case, shouldn't that also exclude God from being involved in our lives? It is contradictory to believe that God has nothing to do with the life forms developing, and then think he is actively willing to intervene in our lives. It is especially contradictory to assert God does miracles, but that He would never do a miracle in creating life forms, which seems to be jar's position and perhaps many others that believe in God and evolution.Now, some believers just think evolution is GOd's planned process, and that He does know what will happen, but to them, the evos demand why would God create such a harsh and imperfect plan.Back to the Deist issue, I'd also like to point out as an aside that I am aware that I use the term "Deist" here loosely. George Washington was reportedly a Deist, but he certainly believed God intervenes and intervened to form the USA. So regardless of the terminology, my point is why believe God involves Himself with miracles, answering prayers, etc,...but would not involve Himself with creating and designing life forms.

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I have no idea if a Dieist should pray. As a Christian I certainly pray.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

OK, as a Christian that believes that God does not design life forms or even knew what life forms would evolve, or perhaps that evolution would even occur at all, why should you expect such a God to hear your prayers?Is it not inconsistent to think that if non-intervention is a principle with God for life as a whole, that He would intervene in your life?

sorry, but that's too far off topic. The topic is "Should a Deist pray?"I've responded to that topic. In case you were incapable of reading, here it is for you again.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

You are always trying to weasel out of the debate claiming it is off-topic, but here it is not off-topic.Note the following in the OP: So clearly, the topic is defined embracing any believer that also believes in independent, non-guided, evolution, and that includes you.But I am not surprised you keep running away from this point, as you have no logical answer.

Ha ha ha, Randman, you might as well give up trying to argue with jar. He has no qualms about slinging around words to suit himself, absolutely no commitment to consensual meanings or even rationality. He isn't interested in the fact that his view of creation makes him a Deist. He denies it completely because of OTHER things he believes. He'll say there is a Creator who didn't Design anything. Not even a Deist says that. He'll pray to a God who has no interest in his creation just because he calls himself a Christian (even though his version of Christianity probably has about two and a half members). He has no problem posting a long list of 99% liberal clergy and calling them representative of Christianity at large. Logic does not apply with jar. Give up. It'll save you a lot of wear and tear on the old psyche.This message has been edited by Faith, 12-23-2005 02:21 PM

Neither do you. Because belief in a god is not logical.
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WOW!!!!Resorting to personal attacks are we.Jar answered the post. Now you attack his christianity? And people ask me why I am not a christian.

Theodoric with another substance-free post.

Not attacking Christianity, just jar's concepts.

Gotta give it a try. Maybe some other evos want to weigh in and discuss whether evolution is God's method for creation, or God does not exist, or jar's untenable position, that God exists but does not design.

You ues a word that I question your definition of.It is substance-free? Why because I challenged you? Again you and Faith argue with personal attacks. You attack anyone not of your belief.

I wouldn't DREAM of asking you that. I think you belong in a museum classified as a unique specimen of Irrationalist, Atheisticus Bullheadicus Theodoricus Cholericus. Or something like that.

Theodoricus doesn't know the difference between attacking persons and attacking concepts.