Condemn gay marriage, or just gay rape?

And vice versa. People who want God's direction in their lives often write their own directions into the Bible and pretend they came from God. Case in point: the topic. Why is it that you find so many implicit objections to gay marriage in the Bible but nothing in the explicit parts, like the Commandments?

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"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi

I find it often the case that when some readers have a fantasy, they look for any excuse to declare that fantasy a reality and try and belittle anyone who doesn't buy into their fantasy.Here's a tip for debating on the forums. If you don't have anything which refutes the point made it's better to shut up than post some passive aggressive bullshit.Your response doesn't address the point at all.I'll take that as an admission that you are wrong, that you recognize that you have no basis for rebuttal, and that you are incapable of stating as much because doing so would require acknowledging that your make believe isn't even sufficiently built to be internally consistent.Exactly what we expect to see.

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You simply do not understand that when dealing with God and his word, bare assumption is not the method, for determining what is right and wrong.Now pay close attention,here is a simple illustration. No where in the scriptures are we told or commnaded, to NOT baptize babies. But the reason we know it is wrong and against Gods pattern is because the purpose for baptism, is belief in Christ. Baptism is an acceptance of Christ as the Messiah, infants believe nothingSo, like gay marraige Ringo, while there is not a specific command NOT TO DO IT. IT VIOLATES Gods given pattern and like infant baptism is not recognized or acceptable to GodDawn Bertot

That's right, we're not commanded not to baptise babies. That's why we don't "know" that it's "wrong". Once again you're confusing your opinion with God's word. You're seeing patterns that aren't there.

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"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi

Are those babies in trouble?What the heck was John the Baptist doing?

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Dost thou prate, rogue?
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Real things always push back.
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But Ringo, there is a specific pattern and purpose for baptism, it is by BELIEVERS, that have accepted Christ as the Messiah, it validates the reason for baptism, as given in a command in Mark 16 and many other placesYou know that it (infant baptism) is wrong and invalid and unacceptable because that is not reason God designed it and NOT for the purpose for which it was intended.there is a specific purpose and pattern for Gods marraige plansThe same with gay marraige, it is wrong and unacceptable, because it violates the original intention, design and pattern for which it ( marraige) was intendedAt bare minimum it is unacceptable and serves no purpose for Gods purposesThe only way anyone will ever incorperate infant baptism and gay marraige into Gods plans is by bare assumption, both of which serve no purpose to GodDawn Bertot

I don't know any such thing and neither do the millions of Christians who disagree with you. It's yet another thing that you misunderstand in the Bible.You're just parroting dogma. If you thought things through instead, you might eventually learn to see the patterns in the Bible instead of just hallucinating.Try it. You still have lots of unanswered on-topic issues to attend to.

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"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi

Its sound teaching, call it dogma if you will, but it is irrefutible, thats is what makes it sound, coupled with the fact that I am not departing from the Pattern Please present themIll take your above comment as an admission that you actually have no response to my analogy of and for infant Baptism, other than to reference thousands of people that have no answer either.When the scripture says, that at Pauls preaching, "He and his whole household believed and the same night were baptized", would you assume that the infants in the house believed anything, to be baptizedOf course notWe have no examples of infant baptism in the scriptures because it was not taught or practicedWe have no examples of Gay marraige, because it was not taught or practicedPaul warned that after his departure, grevious wolves would enter, not sparing the flockThe above doctrines are examples of that departure"In the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to suducing spirits and doctrines of demons"See anything that may fall into that catergory Ringo?Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.

Well this is clearly nonsense. John the Baptist performed baptism on lots of people before they'd even heard of Jesus.

David and Jonathan. Naomi and Ruth. All you've done is hand-wave.

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"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi

Okay, I admit, I haven't read the ENTIRE thread.Please clarify your position slightly.Are you saying:
A) Gay marriage is wrong based on Christian ideology and therefore Christians have the right to deny gay couples from being married by the church.
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B) Gay marriage is wrong based on Christian ideology and therefore the government should not allow it.These are two extremely different things and frequently Christians misunderstand marriage entirely.Your church can no marry you. God can not marry you. Your priest can not marry you. The _only_ marriage that counts is a legal contract between two consenting adult which it officiated by a sanctioned individual and signed by a witness.That official can be Christian, Hindu, Jedi, a sea captain or a federal judge (among other things).If you get the license and don't have a wedding in a church - you ARE married.
If you have a wedding in a church but don't have a license - you are NOT married.So, are you arguing against civil rights based on your feelings about what the Bible may or may not have to say about it?Or are you saying, "Well, they can have their civil rights, but I'm not going to like it".Because, if you are saying that latter, there's really no need for discussion. You have a right to your opinion and no one should bother trying to change it. So long as your opinion has not effect whatsoever on the lives of others, more power to you.

Yes, while the Old Law was still in affect. But he still preached repentance for the remission of sins
Do you remember any infants that needed to repent of anything?Dawn Bertot

Where does it say they were more than friends, where they knew eachother, where they were marriedRingo I need clear examples, not more of your assumptionsDawn Bertot

A. Yes, if that is that churches wishes
B. No, they will do what they want anyway Wrong. According to the Bible he does and did give the pattern to be followed No Its not scriptural and God does not recognize it or allow it Right on brother, preach it brother Thats funnyCuz, I has a sinsk of humiligrationMe papy. I hates infinks. You were a brat when you were little and wouldnt eat your spinich and yours a brat now. Im discustipatedWhat is the only movie pirates cannot attend?Rrrrrrrrr moviesDawn BertotEdited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.

And according to the Harry Potter books, magic wands really work.The FACT of the matter is this: If you go into a church and have a service performed, you can call yourself married, but you aren't. Not in the eyes of the law.If your counter argument is that law doesn't count, and that your religion is the governing factor in whether or not you are married, then I counter with this:If you expect ME to respect YOUR religious beliefs regarding YOUR marriage, then YOU must likewise be willing to respect ANYONE ELSE'S religious beliefs regarding THEIR marriage.In other words, if ANY church/temple/mosque/prayer circle/coven/whatever is willing to perform a marriage, then that person - by YOUR standard of belief - is in fact married in the eyes of whatever magical wizard that group claims provides over their rituals.You DON'T get to declare your beliefs dominant over all others simply because you had the misfortune of being born to a woman who happens to follow one kind of belief instead of another. Then it should be within God's infinite power to undo the marriage without any assistance from you or your religious friends.