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Coragyps Member (Idle past 763 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Understood perfectly, Jar. It just appears that our "inerrantists" don't understand it that way at all. "Mice" and "emerods" make perfect sense in terms of a bit of bubonic plague, and it's reasonable to think that the Bethshemites caught it from the ark-stealers, and some villagers died. They just used their magical thinking to ascribe the whole thing to looking in a particularly holy box.
Oral tradition ----> exaggeration -----> written records with differing numbers. It happened a lot back then.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4928 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
There's lots of evidence for some groups of people with gigantism, over 8-9' tall. It is mere prejudice that dismisses it. In fact, tools have been found that would only fit people of such size, and there is no scientific reason for humans not to breed larger and smaller. Just as we have found evidence of smaller-sized humans, we see evidence of larger sized ones. Imo, evos reject science here because they don't like the idea of any evidence supporting the biblical record.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4928 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Moreover, it would not take 50 thousand men that long to walk by and look in a box.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4928 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
not 80% but more like 99.9%
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4928 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Nuggins, can you please substantiate that the Dead Sea scrolls uniformly state Goliath was of less stature than the Masoretic text?
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4928 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Although there are inerrantists that think the KJV and the received text is so divinely protected by God that it contains no errors of any kinds, the standard inerrantist position in places like the SBC are that the original monographs are inerrant, but that translations and copyists could err.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4928 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
There are a number of different ways to do this. You ought to check into what they are and see for yourself.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4928 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
There are many denomination which operate through instilling fear in the believer. It is to their advantage to do so. Financial, mostly. I see the same thing with evos. There is great fear of evolution being overturned, imo, and there is a strong financial interest in evos maintaining and defending their belief system.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4928 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
The problem is that this argument is held to be ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE by YECs. Since God himself guided every single translation (even contradictory ones) they are all 100% correct and absolute truth. totally wrong...and a ridiculous straw man argument not even close to the truth
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4928 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
No nuggins, the grasshopper language is clearly figurative. The spies with less courage said they felt like grasshoppers in comparison.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 641 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Why does it have to be all incidences
It is enough that 4QSam has it, as well as some copies of theGreek Septuagint. I will point out that the tallest man in modern ages was 8'11 inches, and he stayed alive as long as he did because of modern medicine. He also had to have braces just to walk.. a technology they didn't have in that time period.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4928 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
That was part of the OP and his 80% comment made me think that perhaps he has bad information on the Dead Sea scrolls incredible coorelation to the Masorestic text, basically leaving him with a false impression rather than a true one.
So I wanted him to substantiate that. As far as science, I would think like other species, we would expect some dimunitive and giant forms without contradicting science or the Bible at all. It seems to me it would only be a problem for people that want to try to discredit the Bible.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2521 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
There's lots of evidence for some groups of people with gigantism, over 8-9' tall. Well, Randman, the balls still in your court. We've got a Great Debate going on this, did you forget? Remember, we're talking about giant men in metal armor at the front of an army - not a sub-species of gorilla.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2521 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
not 80% but more like 99.9% So why assume that the Goliath height is wrong in the scrolls?
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4928 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Nuggins, the tools that have been found match people over 9' tall. I have not responded because I didn't see much to respond to. I think I proved my point, and you have no response to it. So game over.
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