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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
There is no morality among the animal kingdom. Sure there is. Social animals regularly engage in behaviors that are personally detrimental but beneficial to the group.
Scientist know that there had to be one language at the beginning. Says who?
Belief in a deity is not common among any animal except human beings. Why? Because other animals don't have the language capacity to make up myths?
Humans can develop an argument, follow a line of logic, draw conclusions and frame hypotheses. Except for creationists, that seems to be true. It's a pity more humans don't do this, though.
The reason why humans are so different from animals is because we are created in the image of God. I'd say you have it backwards. We made up God in our own image.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
It's rather frustrating to hear the morality argument trotted out when animal species demonstrate a moral sense I wouldn't say that they exhibit a moral sense, because I don't believe that there is such a thing. But animals exhibit many of the same social behaviors we do; behaviors that, when humans do them, we say stems from "morality." I say, it's all kin selection, humans or animals.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Just a quick comment about infinite regression - the law of causality is that every effect must have a cause, not that everything must have a cause. How d you identify which things are effects, and which are not, without committing circular reasoning like you did in the other thread?
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happy_atheist Member (Idle past 4942 days) Posts: 326 Joined: |
As far as the beginning of the universe and causation is concerned, I don't see any logical way that the universe could have a cause. To the best of our understanding t0 equals the point of the big bang. That would mean that the phrase "before the big bang" would have no meaning, just like the phrase "north of the north pole" has no meaning. If there is no event before the big bang, there can be no cause to the big bang. Can two events that aren't seperated temporally have a causal relationship? If so, how do you determine which one is the cause and which one is the effect? It seems to be impossible to me. The universe seems to be a prime candidate for a causless entity, why posit another unsupported one before it just to satisfy a religious need?
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tsig Member (Idle past 2937 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
Please refrain from accusing pond scum of giving rise to humans, we rensent the charge.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
I find that one ineresting also.
I always used to ask myself, who created God? Where did he come from? But for some strange reason we almost feel like we don't have the right to even ask the question. When you start to ponder on it, your head feels like its going to explode. I just shake my head and say it had to have come from somewhere. What was it? It was just always there, the Universe, continually expanding and collapsing? What purpose does it serve? What's outside the big bubble right before it reverses direction and collapses, if it even collapses. Great, I got a headache now.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Cause you don't know why we are here.
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contracycle Inactive Member |
quote: YOU don't, I certainly do. God is a lie that thieves use to justify their theft.
quote: Well, M-theory would suggest the universe is a zone of interaction between two 'membranes' in a kind of extra-universal space. That at least is a constructive and purposeful answer, even if it is wrong. Merely resorting to "its hard and confising" is not. Furthermore, your sense that you do not have the "right" to ask this question demonstrates only the fact that religion tries to suppress thought.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
God is a lie that thieves use to justify their theft.
Woa!!!Care to re-think that statement, because you are going to have to prove it now.
Well, M-theory would suggest the universe is a zone of interaction between two 'membranes' in a kind of extra-universal space.
Brilliant!
That at least is a constructive and purposeful answer, even if it is wrong. Merely resorting to "its hard and confising" is not. Furthermore, your sense that you do not have the "right" to ask this question demonstrates only the fact that religion tries to suppress thought.
No it demostrates that I know my place in life and the Universe, and just how small I am compared to it. I still have asked the question.
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contracycle Inactive Member |
quote: No, it does not - because you insist on being the centre of attention of some super-dimensional entity. In fact, you think the whole universe was created just for you, and other humans. You fail to realise how trivial our existance is even when set against something as small as, say, jupiter, let alone the whole universe.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 640 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
while I think it might be a bit over generalised, I have one word
televangists.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
BOING!!!
You are the word twister extreme. riverrat writes:I know my place in life and the Universe, and just how small I am compared to it. You write:you insist on being the centre of attention of some super-dimensional entity. In fact, you think the whole universe was created just for you, and other humans. How'd you get that from what I wrote?I think I know, but lets hear your side. I think what I stated is pretty clear, unless you are calling me a liar. If so, then I have nothing more to say to you, but I will pray for you.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Well, that doesn't make a God a liar now does it?
BTW, I am happy that you reconize that some or most of these TV dudes are full of it.
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contracycle Inactive Member |
Firstly: " but I will pray for you."
Don't you dare.
quote: Are you not the special creation of god, brought into being to praise god, and so loved by god that he sacrificed his only begotten son to save you from sin? That's pretty damn arrogant and self-important. This is a primary aspect of theism, the delusion that humans are in some way important or meaningful to the universe.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
I guess you want to stop me from praying, how cool.
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