Does Darwinism Equal "No God"?

You were answered, and now you are lying, as I think is usual for you. Here was my response. Now, you claim to be a Christian. Frankly, I think that's BS on your part, especially since you tend to assert that fact on science threads frequently.But if you are a Christian, please apologize for falsely accusing me of not answering you when I clearly did. Furthermore, Percy answered the same point.Btw, I don't expect an apology because I don't think you are an honest person.

Wikapedia is hardly authoritative. In my encyclopedia here at home, WorldBook for my kids from the early 90s, Jerry Coyne of the university of Chicago, the author of the article, states that abiogenesis is spontaneous generation. That's what it is.So you are wrong there.But I am tired of wasting time. You claim you were agreeing with me, and now you don't appear to be. It's not clear if you stand by your assertions and agreement that they were asserting the significance of Darwin is no God, or as they put it, no Designer, or not.It seems more of the same dodge and weave to me.This message has been edited by randman, 12-19-2005 02:03 PM

It doesn't necessarily assert atheism, but it suggests it.Darwinism hints at atheism.Abiogenesis hints at atheism.Big Bang theory, however, hints at a Creator.

Only naively. Only naively. Only naively.

Actually, that does not answer the questions. You might think it does, but it does not. Nor did Percy. He posted where Charlie Rose mentioned no Creator, not where either of the guests did.Secondly, you have not addressed the original question asked in Message 11 of "How does saying there is no designer assert atheism?"The rest of your post as usual is simply once again trying to change the subject.But if those two questions are too dificult to you, please explain how, if saying there is no designer asserts atheism, over ten thousand Christian Clergy have supported teaching the TOE and opposed teaching ID or Biblical Creationism?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I don't see what's naive about it.

jar, in other words, you don't like the answer. Could that be because you don't like being shown you are wrong?That's the way it appears to me. A Creator is a Designer by definition. I think that's pretty clear, and that you are just playing your usual deceptive games here.As far as believers accepting ToE, they weren't on the show, were they? So it's not germane to what the evos on the show felt, is it?

If we look at the evidence, the life we find around us and the evidence from fossils of life that once existed, the only possible conclusion I can see is that either there is no designer, or the designer is far too incompetent to be a god. No one designed humans. No one designed any of the species found on earth. They are all a collection of just good enough to survive, Rube Goldberg solutions. None show signs of design.I consider myself to be a Christian Creationist. I believe that GOD created the Universe and all the systems within. This includes that most wonderous of systems, Darwinian evolution. But that is only a personal belief. I acknowledge that it is but a belief, unprovable, untestable.Thus randman's assertion is disproved. Evolution, Darwin's very theory, is one of the things that supports my belief in a Creator.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

The idea that Darwinism did not promote atheism is SO disingenuous, considering that it was evolutionism that caused the 19th century crisis in Christianity that led to Liberal Theology and the Higher Criticism as we now know it, that inspired Nietzsche's death-of-God ruminations, the agonizings of Kierkegaard and Dostoevsky, and the whole Existentialist movement, later the emblematic Snopes Trial clash between evolution and religion. The works. That some found a way to reconcile evolution with religion -- at the expense of the Bible of course -- is hardly a contradiction to this blatant historical fact, but a symptom of it.This message has been edited by Faith, 12-19-2005 02:35 PM

randman. There was no answer. No problem. That is your belief and so fine. It has nothing to do with the premise of this thread that "Does Darwinism Equal "No God"?"You have not shown any support for the position that Darwinism, whatever that is, equal's No God. No one has questioned what the guests on the show believed. That is not the issue. The issue is that you assert that no designer = no Creator. I have provided support showing that over ten thousand Christian Clergy disagree. here's a link for youI personally believe there is a Creator. That's a personal belief. And I also find that from the evidence available, life here on this planet is the result of evolution as described by the TOE.So once again I ask the questions first raised in Message 11.How does saying there is no designer assert atheism?Please provide the quote from the transcript where they said there was no creator.

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You have failed to explain how there can be a Creator but no designer. You seem to think you have explained it but you haven't.

These two statements seem rather inconsistent to me.

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say, "Darwinism = Not your God"?In other words, your belief system leads you to discredit ToE due to a predisposed position of God and his hand in creation of all things as laid out by Christian doctrine.However, ToE in the hands of say a deist may lead that person to believe they are getting one step closer to understanding an entirely different kind of God and his hand in the creation of all things.I still don't see a correlation between Darwinism and atheism.- Babelfish

...and a few hundred years before that "Copernicusism" did the same thing.As long as theologians and philosophers interpret the gaps in human knowledge as God's hand at work, there will be spiritual crisis when those gaps are filled in by science. However, this is not science seeking to eliminate/disprove God, it is rather a byproduct of the way theology (mis)uses their own interpretation of science as a whole. The theologians and philosophers are to blame for setting themselves up for crisis, not the scientists who simply expanded human knowledge.Or perhaps you believe the sun revolves around the Earth?

The correlation is obvious. Things happen naturally. There is no need for the supernatural.