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Author | Topic: Buzsaw Biblical Universe Origin Hypothesis vs Singularity Universe Origin Theory | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
molbiogirl Member (Idle past 2670 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: |
Have you concluded my middle name yet? Today, I picked up a cabbage in the produce department of my local supermarket and put it into a plastic bag. Next, I brought it over to the scale to weigh it out for a price sticker. It weighed out at 2.47 lb. at $1.29 per lb. for a total cost of $3.19. I placed the price sticker on the bag I had put the cabbage into and carried it up to the . Wait . let me start over. I forgot to tell you how I got into the supermarket. Da-amn, boy. You keep knocking them out of the park. It's a pity you are wasting your brilliance on ICANT.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi lyx2no,
lyx2no writes: Today, I picked up a cabbage in the produce department of my local supermarket and put it into a plastic bag. Next, I brought it over to the scale to weigh it out for a price sticker. It weighed out at 2.47 lb. at $1.29 per lb. for a total cost of $3.19. I placed the price sticker on the bag I had put the cabbage into and carried it up to the . Wait . let me start over. I forgot to tell you how I got into the supermarket. But you forgot the most important thing about that story. The seed that was planted in the seedbed to get the plant to grow the cabbage. I didn't even go into all the processes that was necessary to grow that head of cabbage. But the seed had to come from somewhere it did not appear out of thin air. It had to be harvested and prepared for use as seed. Care must be taken when preparing cabbage seed. If they are planted close to Mutard, Collards, Kale, Kohlrabi, Cauliflower, Brussels Sprouts and Broccoli they can cross with each other. They have been developed over thousands of years. Somewhere back down the line there was the first original plant. There had to be at least 2 plants or there would be no cabbage. But it would have been much better if you had several thousand different plants to start with. Unless you can get it to magic like the universe appearing expanding. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi molbiogirl,
molbiogirl writes: xianity There is no such thing as xianity. Therefore anything would be older than xianity. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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molbiogirl Member (Idle past 2670 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: |
Answer the question.
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4744 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
You have no sure knowledge of what came before your alleged T=10-43. I have no knowledge at all, hence my repeated claim to having no knowledge at all. I do have knowledge after that which I can extrapolate backwards in an iffy fashion and say if this proceeds as it has up to here then zero would be here. This may indeed be wrong which is why I make no further statement about it and don't hold myself to that one. You're asking that I falsify 0<10-43. That's all the statement says. T=0 clearly happened prior to T=10-43because that is what it means. It's a matter of definitions. Yesterday came before today because that is what the word yesterday means. T=0 is the name given to the point on the graph where the size of Universe line gets to zero if extrapolated past the last known point. Then the last know is located at T=10-43 and given that name.
Your implied (and widely verbalized in science) statement is that the unified forces of the universe approached T=10-43, progressing from T=0 within a few seconds, is it not? I implied nothing about unified forces. You're just shoving fancy words into your statements to make them sound all grown up. What would be much more impressive then fancy words would be a show of understanding of what 10-43 means. You've used it like a brazillion time and it's still just another magic word to you. You've made an error of a few ten million trillion trillion trillion I don't think you'll ever be able to understand the flaws in any of your arguments if don't rid your language of magic powers. AbE: *It's only 43+log(few) orders of magnitude. It's amazing what can slip by when one is frustrated. Edited by lyx2no, : Scratch "orders of magnitude". Kindly Ta-da ≠ QED
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4744 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
I'm betting your kids hated your bedtime stories.
Kindly Ta-da ≠ QED
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4744 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
Thanks. I'm a molbiogirl fan myself.
Kindly Ta-da ≠ QED
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4046 Joined: Member Rating: 7.4 |
OK then, what is the mechanism of your alleged abiogenesis? Yours is itdiditself: mine is Goddidit. Which is falsifyable? 1) Abiogenesis is not even remotely related to this topic. Abiogenesis has nothing to do with cosmological origins. 2) the proposed mechanism of abiogenesis is spontaneous assembly of proteins into a self-replicating molecule. The spontaneous self-assembly of all of most of the precursor molecules has been observed in the lab, but research is still incomplete.
What is your hypothesis of the mechanism that allegedly brought the universe into being and what formed the heavens. Yours is itdiditself: mine is it is eternal and Goddidit. Your lack of comprehension of natural processes is astounding, Buz. "Itdiditself" is a disingenuous way of saying "it did not require outside intelligence." If I ask how Zinc reacts with Hydrochloric Acid, is it really accurate to say "itdiditself?" Come now Buz, you're painting a strawman the size of Montana. But what else would we expect of the author of the BULLSHIT hypothesis, the crown jewel of all meaningless apologetics?
Mine was effected by work as per 2LTD The word "work" is meaningless unless you define the form the work took. You still haven't given any sort of mechanism. You just stuck the word "work" in to make your silly "model" sound like it was consistent with the laws of Thermodynamics - but yet again, apologetics fails by trying to smash the evidence into your pre-conceived idea. It's hilariously obvious because you don't even know what the terms you're throwing around mean. You have a grasp of physics beneath a high school student, and throwing around technobabble like a Star Trek episode writer doesn't help you.
Yours allegedly came about counter to the basic tenants of the TDLs so far as I can see. That's because you neither understand the scientific model nor the Laws of thermodynamics. "As far as you can see" means nothing when your comprehension level is below High School graduates. As to why you're wrong, the Big Bang model does not propose that at any time the Universe contained more or less mass-energy. the Big bang model is perfectly compliant with the Laws of Thermodynamics - do you honestly think physicists would propose a model not in compliance? Are you delusional?
I see neither as falsifyable. I see one as falsifiable and accurate. I see the other as a feces-coated fairy-tale.
The discussion was relative to 2LOT, was it not? Not what I said, and certainly not what you quoted from me.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
If you want to discuss thermodynamics, why don't you address Message 13 ?
Until it's answered any claim that your "theory" is consistent with thermodynamics is an empty assertion.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
ICANT responds to me:
quote: And I haven't said otherwise. I thought we were talking about the expansion of the universe, though. You do understand that there are multiple things going on, yes? And that inflation is not the same as expansion, yes? Let us remember what Buzsaw said:
The three unknowns relative to the expansion We know a fair amount of the expansion of the universe. What do you think the red-shift is a measure of? What do you think the various experiments into dark energy are about?
quote: What are we talking about? You're switching the goalposts. Are we talking about origins? Inflation? Expansion? What? There's a lot we don't know, of course. If we knew everything, then there would be no point in doing any sort of research at all. But you seem to be reaching toward that perennial creationist claim that because we don't know everything, that means we don't know anything. We don't know what happened in Planck time. So? How does that change anything about what we do know?
quote: Incorrect. You are confusing "unknown" with "unknowable" and "unfalsifiable." What do you know about branes? It seems to be showing some promise. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
ICANT responds to me:
quote: Prophecy? Who said anything about prophecy? Just go outside and look up. Go to the library and look in any of the various mythological stories. For crying out loud, the Greek mythos is replete with stories of how the stars got up there. Have you read the Iliad? Homer talks of the creation of the heavens by Hephaestos. How about the Catasterismi? It includes the Milky Way.
quote: (*chuckle*) The god of Islam is not the same as the god of Christianity or the god of Judaism. Let's not play dumb here.
quote: Are you incapable of doing the math? Science is not like religion where you look up in the "holy book" (often known as "the CRC") the blessed claim as if that were the end-all, be-all of things. It is a derived property: There is only so much space in the universe, ergo there can only be so many stars.
quote: Prophecy? Who said anything about prophecy? Since you don't mention which one you're talking about, I'm a bit hard pressed to tell you what you want to hear. Are you talking about the world ending in fire? Look up Russian mythology for an example. I am not here to do your homework for you. Here's another hint which someone who has any real familiarity with world mythoi should know: Ragnarok.
quote:quote: I'm sorry, I don't see how that responds to my point. You quoted exactly what I said: The Bible claims the universe is big. It does not say that it is still expanding.
quote: So can any other author, such as the authors of the Bible. You are trying to claim uniqueness for the Bible and yet when we examine the literature, we find that there isn't anything unique to it. Everything it says has been told elsewhere.
quote: But that isn't what astronomy says, either. Stars still shine, even when they collapse. And in some cases, they explode and make new stars.
quote: Prophecy? Who said anything about prophecy?
quote: Yes, you did:
ICANT writes: How many of those deities told us all the nations would be able to see dead bodies lying in the streets in Jerusalem? Science calls that technology. What part of "Science calls that technology" isn't talking about science?
quote: Are you seriously claiming that there was no such thing as journalism before the invention of the TV? And that the Bible "prophesied" journalism? what do you think the Iliad is? It's the story of a war telling all the nations of the world of dead bodies lying in Troy.
quote: Except it isn't. Let's not play dumb here. The gods of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are not the same god. Why do you think there is such strife in the Middle East? Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
ICANT responds to Rahvin:
quote: Why? Be specific. What makes you think the universe is a sphere? What part of "there is no center" is eluding you? Do you understand the difference between finite/infinite and bounded/unbounded? I don't mean the difference between finite and inifinite and, as a separate thing, the difference between bounded and unbounded. Instead, I am talking about the difference between the concept of infinity and the concept of boundedness.
quote: Just like all the other mythoi out there that have the world ending in fire. What makes you think the Bible is unique?
quote: You're referring to Jude 1:13. You do realize, however, that this passage isn't referring to stars, yes? It's referring to planets and even that is only a metaphor for evil people.
quote: But your quote doesn't even say that.
quote: (*blink!*) You did not just say that, did you? The pvery phrasing "to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever" is, by its very nature, flowery words and poetry. It certainly isn't a scientific statement or any other kind of prose.
quote: You realize that you just contradicted your claim to me, yes? You said you weren't talking about dead bodies in a specific city. Well, clearly you were.
quote: Huh? There was no such thing as journalism until the space program? Again, what do you think the Iliad is? It's the story of a war.
quote: Ahem. It's nothing but poetry and flowery language. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
ICANT responds to SGT Snorkel:
quote: But they're not. They are quite numerable. There's a finite number of them. All finite numbers are numerable.
quote: Incorrect. That's not what "innumerable" means. And no, I'm not referring to the mathematical term of "denumerable" where even infinite numbers are numerable. I'm talking about the difference between "finite" and "infinite." There are not an infinite number of stars. Therefore, you can number them. Do not confuse the difficulty of the task with impossibility. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
ICANT writes:
quote: There most certainly is. Are you going to call the first Christians to be something other than Christian? The "X" in "Xian" is not the Roman letter X but rather the Greek letter C. The name, in Greek, is written, "CristoV." As paper was always at a premium, the "Christ"-related terms, including the name, itself, were often abbreviated to C or Cr. Why do you think one of the big symbols in Christianity is the fish? It isn't because of the "fishers of men" passage. It's that the phrase IhsoV CristoV Qeou UioV Swthr ("Jesus Christ, son of god, saviour"), when initialized, becomes "ICQUS," which is the Greek word for "fish." It's how Christians referred to themselves. Are you denying your own heritage? Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
ICANT writes:
quote: You do realize that life existed long before sex, yes? Most life on this planet reproduces asexually. At any rate, you're missing the point. You're falling for the common creationst claim that because we don't know everything, that means we don't know anything. This is the same creationist fallacy that says because evolution doesn't explain the origin of the universe, it can't possibly be accurate. Evolution doesn't even attempt to explain the origin of the universe. Evolution is about biology and the origin of the universe is about cosmology. Evolution assumes there is a universe already in place because it doesn't matter how the universe came into being so long as it did.
quote: Huh? What do you mean "appearing"? Are you implying that it isn't? So why is it we can directly measure it? What do you think the red-shift is? Have you not heard of WMAP and PLANCK? Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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