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cavediver Member (Idle past 3671 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
Peg writes: archeologist unearthed several temple towers at the ancient site of babylon and one inscription read "The building of this temple offended the gods. In a night they threw down what had been built. They scattered them abroad, and made strange their speech. The progress they impeded.” granny magda writes: Where does that quote come from? Here is the entire text of the tablets... Peg writes: When the assyrian kings library was discovered, they found around 10,000 tablets...they collected up all they could and took them to the british museum. Its from these tablets that we have information about ancient Assyria and its kings and their way of life etc. the following quote is found on page 48 in smiths book. Smith being one of the interpreters of the tablets... PaulK writes: That quote does NOT come from the Assyrian tablets. The sources are even listed at the end ! (Eusebius and Syncellus). You misrepresent Smith yet again. Peg writes: i have no need to misrepresent anyone Oh Peg, so why do it? Please acknowledge your "mistake" and we can move on. Your dishonest attempts to squirm out of this claim are not pretty, but they are typical of many creationist we encounter here. It does seem that dishonesty is a major unifying trait amongst creationists... perhaps you can begin to change that appearance? Edited by cavediver, : subtitle change
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Peg Member (Idle past 4957 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
my apologies for not having a PHD
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3671 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
my apologies for not having a PHD Who said anything about a PhD, degree, or even an advanced school qualification? If you can read, you have no excuse. If you have the ability to use a forum on the internet on which you are able to criticise carbon dating, then you are equally capable of actually learning something about the subject first, to prevent drawing mockery upon yourself...
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Peg Member (Idle past 4957 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
its getting slightly ridiculous dont you think? Chasing tails after semantics is a waste of bandwidth.
I have not misrepresented smith. Did you or anyone else bother to read the book? perhaps you could read it yourself and let us know what it says about the Genesis legends.
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Peg Member (Idle past 4957 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
i have read a lot about carbon dating thank you
and from what i've read i am skeptical as to its accuracy
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3671 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
We're way off-topic (my fault) so please put your money where your mouth is and present your skepticism here
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Granny Magda Member Posts: 2462 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
quote: You don't like it? Oh the humanity!
quote: No it isn't. Look, if you have a problem with carbon dating, it's no use just saying "I don't like it." and throwing up your hands. You can't expect anyone to take your objections seriously if you are unwilling/unable to explain to everyone how you manage to see problems that thousands of brilliant and hard-working scientists have missed. If you want to take on carbon dating, take it to an appropriate thread, such as this one; Message 19.
quote: Oh, well okay then;
Granny writes: In short, you don't like carbon dating because it contradicts the Bible's young Same difference. You are still making the same category of error. You are putting the cart before the horse, putting the Bible before open and honest enquiry. It's a big mistake and so long as you insist on thinking this way, you are not really thinking at all. By the way, you did misrepresent Smith and the Assyrian tablets. You made claims about what was in his book that, when examined, turned out to be wrong. I'm sure you didn't do it deliberately, but the fact remains that the quotes you attributed to those tablets, via Smith, do not appear there. You just got it wrong, that's all. It's no big deal. I get things wrong all the time, as does everyone else. The thing to do is to admit your mistake. There's no point denying it, the posts are there for everyone to see. Mutate and Survive "The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: It isn't chasing semantics, though. It is presenting the proof that you have misrepresented Smith.
quote: Of course some of us have. That is how we KNOW that you have misrepresented Smith.It's been proven here. Why attempt to deny it ?
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dennis780 Member (Idle past 4804 days) Posts: 288 From: Alberta Joined: |
Adam and Eve were black. I know what your thinking, WHAT. lol.
You see, if creation is true, and genetic information is complex, and can only be lost, not gained (which has been physically observed since the 1940`s, when scientists started looking more at genes and coding), then information can only be lost. Bear with me here, I do have a point. The simple fact is that Melanin, the protien responsable for the color of your skin, is what makes black people black, chinese people yellow, and white people white. White people have the lowest levels of melanin, and black have the most. Now lets jump to Noahs kids. They do NOT represent the different races of today. When the population of humans increased on earth, they all looked the same. They were all black. They spoke the same languages, etc. The biblical account of the tower of Babel is where things get interesting. God wanted to confuse the people of earth, so he spread them all over the world, and confused their language. It was more than likely (just my theory), that geographical locations of people would change differently than others, but each group should change to some extent the same. This means that the people in china would change over time, but not the same as those in africa, or South America, etc. So, if I am right, each geographical group should change in physical appearance, but differently than others, and some may not change at all, or so small that it wouldn`t be physically apparent. I could be off my rocker, but if the Bible is to be taken as historically correct, then this is one possibility for the different races on the earth. One thing is for certain, before various modes of transportation were available to man (and woman, not being sexist), there was clearly grouping of different races on the earth. Whites being in certain areas, blacks in certain areas, and yellow in others. Now this could support my theory, or it could just mean that people who looked alike naturally felt comfortable in these areas, and chose not to leave. Interested in other ideas as well though. This is simply a theory. Dennis.
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dennis780 Member (Idle past 4804 days) Posts: 288 From: Alberta Joined: |
Who said anything about a PhD, degree, or even an advanced school qualification? If you can read, you have no excuse. If you have the ability to use a forum on the internet on which you are able to criticise carbon dating, then you are equally capable of actually learning something about the subject first, to prevent drawing mockery upon yourself...
my apologies for not having a PHD
Who said anything about a PhD, degree, or even an advanced school qualification? If you can read, you have no excuse. If you have the ability to use a forum on the internet on which you are able to criticise carbon dating, then you are equally capable of actually learning something about the subject first, to prevent drawing mockery upon yourself... Umm, this isn`t exactly the carbon dating thread, but it`s well known that carbon dating isn`t accurate for more than 50,000 years at a maximum. However, carbon dating is more than inaccurate in many cases under this maximum, due to the levels of carbon during the fossilization process is never known, and the carbon levels worldwide are never constant. In fact, there is almost no carbon at all in the north and south poles. This is also a problem with most new parent-daughter dating methods. You can`t know how much time has passed if you don`t know how much sand was in the hourglass when it started.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2979 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
White people have the lowest levels of melanin, and black have the most. This is so wrong it almost sounds like a joke. Was it a joke? What gives human's their skin pigmentation is different types of melanin; it has nothing to do with more or less melanin.
See herequote: Now, explain how these different variations in melanin evolved, that's the real question and a good topic to discuss. But I did enjoy your whimsical tale of human evolution...it was quite amusing. - Oni
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Wounded King Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: |
What gives human's their skin pigmentation is different types of melanin; it has nothing to do with more or less melanin. Wouldn't it be more accurate to say it is both since your wiki article states of eumelanin, 'In humans, it is more abundant in peoples with dark skin.' TTFN, WK
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
I could be off my rocker, but if the Bible is to be taken as historically correct, then this is one possibility for the different races on the earth. You are right to some extent, minus the timeline and the need for the bible to be introduced. Different races stem from mutation and isolation of genes. Geography plays a large part in having separated people of various races for long periods of time allowing them to develop distinct physical features over time. Over time, long periods of time (not 4,000 years) being the operative phrase here... Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given. "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Umm, this isn`t exactly the carbon dating thread, but it`s well known that carbon dating isn`t accurate for more than 50,000 years at a maximum. However, carbon dating is more than inaccurate in many cases under this maximum, due to the levels of carbon during the fossilization process is never known, and the carbon levels worldwide are never constant. In fact, there is almost no carbon at all in the north and south poles. This is also a problem with most new parent-daughter dating methods. Pure nonsense. There is just as much carbon 14 at the north and south poles as anywhere else -- it's in the atmosphere! And C14 dating is not a parent-daughter dating method. Why don't you read up on these subjects before you post, or before you uncritically pass on creationist misinformation? That is a good way to avoid looking foolish.
You can`t know how much time has passed if you don`t know how much sand was in the hourglass when it started. C14 dating avoids this problem. I'll leave it up to you to figure out how. (Hint: de Vries 1958.) Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2979 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Wouldn't it be more accurate to say it is both since your wiki article states of eumelanin, 'In humans, it is more abundant in peoples with dark skin.' Right, but it's not an increase or decrease in one specific melanin; it's the absence or presence of different types of melanin that give the variations in skin pigmentation. - Oni
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