Schraf you state:
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You do realize that how the first life got here is irrelevant to if they evolved or not, don't you?
The ToE doesn't address how life got here, only what happened to it after it arrived.
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--I think many ToE-ists would disagree with you, at least in all the biology texts I've ever seen. Remember those lightnings-in-the-jar experiments that even produced proteins (which Quetzel probably still insists are enzymes, ... ha ha).
--Perhaps, you Shraf, forget their quotes: "The ToE is the cornerstone of biological science". When in reality the redemptive ID is the cornerstone of biological science, medical science, physics, and all other science, in my bigoted yet junky opinion.
--But at least you Shraf have recanted what they said in all the biology texts as part of the ToE.
--I wish the ToE-ists would stick with the ToE, the last few millenia, and stay out of the primordial soup as you somehow claim they do?#!
--Truth (to me) seems most evos have gotten into many of life's complex soups and blasphemed the venerable ToE as it meagerly applies to science. (Note, I am not deriding micro-biology, biochemistry, genetics, and their branch-sciences, all of which function fine with ToEs in dealing with current biological events)
--Surely the ToE has become the most subtle, coniving, absurd, exploited, and abused science on the planet, worthy of rebuke by science-lovers and Christians alike. Its all-too-perversive idolotrous intrusion into true cladistic biology needs to be quickly destroyed. The fable must die. Its hype is the greatest folly of micro-biology beginning at the enzyme (lower-IC) level and on up the higher IC levels of taxa, soul, and psyche.