Only if Mom says so

Shouldn't the shining moment of truth come before one gets pregnant? And if choice is today's mantra, then why not give the life growing inside of her that same right to choose whether or not they want to live? What about their right of choice? At some point any honest person will have to appreciate the fact that taking someone's life because they frivolously made light of responsibility is incredibly selfish.We all make mistakes, and in the heat of a moment we can make rash decisions. But why not place a child up for adoption since everyone wins in the final analysis?Mom wins because she won't be burdened by the responsibility. New parents win because they get to have the child they always wanted. The child wins because they're alive. Hey, that's always a plus. Why is the easier answer not the best option? Then don't produce one..... Seems awfully simple really. That choice is available to us. But if one is produced, we can't just try and undo it. Don't you think it is a dangerous idea to view life so flippantly? Edited by Nemesis Juggernaut, : No reason given.Edited by Nemesis Juggernaut, : added quote box

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“This life’s dim windows of the soul, distorts the heavens from pole to pole, and goads you to believe a lie, when you see with and not through the eye.” -William Blake

They can choose to live; they just have to do it in someone else's uterus. Why would they have a right to any specific uterus?

Who said anything that supported this even remotely? I am sorry NJ. I do feel bad that you often have a lot of replies to deal with. But you tend to make things a lot worse when you go out to left field with this kind of stuff.I can imagine a circumstance where a couple might not be taking hormonal birth control (which is basically the same thing as a drug induced abortion) and have a problem with a busted condom or something.If you don't approve of these kinds of abortions, then what is your opinion then of the pill? If you support one but not the other than how can you justify your position?

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

If this is how you have spun the argument, then all you see is the mother and despise precious baby[tm]. Nator, you have vilified children who haven't done a thing, least of all, willed itself in to existence to burden her poor mother. Oh, but I'm crazy, right?!?!?And it all supports LinearAg, a Pro-Choicer, no less.If I conspicuously leave out the mother, its only because the baby is the executed and his/her mother just so happens to be the executioner in this instance! But you fabricate this picture that I someone hate women or that their sole worth is to make babies. That's despicable and shameful.I care that a woman feels trapped. But she has alternatives other than killing her own baby. Because she has these sensible options available to her, forgive me if I forget to mention all her woes. I care about what it will do to her psyche if she goes through it. At the same time, when someone places themselves in a situation, refuses to acknowledge any culpability in the matter, and then makes matters even worse, my compassion tends to fade.As for her, one of two things will happen: She will either be crushed by it and have to potentially live with a lifetime of guilt and shame. I don't want that for her. It pains me to even think about it. Or she will become all the more cold, calculating, cruel, and calloused -- like, well.... Some people I know within the pro-abortion movement. And I want that either because we don't more people like that.Quite frankly, both are really, really sad. But I won't pretend that I don't feel more sympathy for the first woman than the second. Edited by Nemesis Juggernaut, : typos

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“This life’s dim windows of the soul, distorts the heavens from pole to pole, and goads you to believe a lie, when you see with and not through the eye.” -William Blake

Um, okay, show me a notarized affidavit signed by a fetus that shows that it has made a choice of its own free will, then we can discuss fetal choice.

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If it's truly good and powerful, it deserves to engender a thousand misunderstandings. -- Ben Ratcliffe

Jazzns,Hormonal birth control does not "induce abortion".Hormonal birth control prevents ovulation.

Show me one from an infant or a toddler who will notarize an affidavit expressing their desire to live by the same token. Show me one from a quadraplegic. An invalid. Someone with mental retardation.And then tell me how your argument makes any sense in light of that.

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“This life’s dim windows of the soul, distorts the heavens from pole to pole, and goads you to believe a lie, when you see with and not through the eye.” -William Blake

Does it not also prevent implantation? I have heard both. Does it depend on which one you take?

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

Ask the parents that placed them them their. You don't honestly believe that the fetus had any choice in the matter, now do you?

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“This life’s dim windows of the soul, distorts the heavens from pole to pole, and goads you to believe a lie, when you see with and not through the eye.” -William Blake

I don't understand your point. These individuals don't have any rights to make choices.- My argument is and has always been that a fetus is not a entity possessing any sort of consciousness or self-awareness that we can identify as being "human" in any significant way, and so a fetus possesses no inherent rights.

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If it's truly good and powerful, it deserves to engender a thousand misunderstandings. -- Ben Ratcliffe

Taking birth control pills after unprotected sex can be used to prevent implantation but that's "emergency contraception" (aka Plan B).Hormonal birth control does 3 things:1. Inhibit ovulation.
2. Thicken the cervical mucous (barrier to sperm).
3. Thin and deplete uterine lining (prevent implantation).That third step only occurs if steps 1 and 2 fail.So, technically, yes, hormonal birth control prevents implantation. But the protection that the pill provides usually occurs at step 1.

The state cannot compel me to donate an organ.Why should the state have the right to compel me to donate my child?

Molbiogirl expressed her dislike for the pill, then said that abortions are quick and painless. So I was asking her if that entailed going down to the clinic each and every time after sex.I was asking for her clarification. What is "left field" about asking someone to clarify a position? I think you need to read the exchange again since it seems you jumped to a conclusion. The "pill" tricks the body in to thinking that it is already pregnant, and thus prevents the fertilization of an ovum. It doesn't "induce abortion" since she is not pregnant, but rather, prevented her from becoming pregnant. To quote you: "you tend to make things a lot worse when you go out to left field with this kind of stuff." I have no problem with contraceptives since it prevents a pregnancy, not terminates a pregnancy. Some Catholics are against any kind of contraceptives. I don't really get it. If a woman does not want to be pregnant, then, yes, by all means, don't get pregnant. Just please don't terminate the pregnancy once the conception process has begun.

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“This life’s dim windows of the soul, distorts the heavens from pole to pole, and goads you to believe a lie, when you see with and not through the eye.” -William Blake

Not only are your fantasy women psychologically crippled, they're 100% fertile.Juggs, would you suggest that all the frozen embryos stored in IVF freezers be adopted?What of those IVF procedures that fail to result in pregnancy. After all, over half of IVF procedures fail.Is the doctor a murderer? The mother?

What does state compulsion have to do with anything? I asked why a woman wouldn't, of her own volition, adopt her child since no one loses in that scenario. Why wouldn't you want to donate your child if you don't want it? Why would you throw out perfectly good clothes when you could do donate it to someone who would want it? Same principle I suppose.Looks like we're at the 300 limit. I'll be sure not to close it this time. Wouldn't want anyone getting the wrong idea. Edited by Nemesis Juggernaut, : edit to add

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“This life’s dim windows of the soul, distorts the heavens from pole to pole, and goads you to believe a lie, when you see with and not through the eye.” -William Blake