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mark24
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Message 32 of 42 (10197)
05-22-2002 9:52 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by Tranquility Base
05-22-2002 2:11 AM


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Originally posted by Tranquility Base:
I don't think it was a joke. We simply believe that God created several thousand distinct genomes which have diversified. With the genomes in hand it should be quite easy to re-catalog them into their kinds. We'll see.
What will baraminologists do, do you think, when molecular phylogenetic evidence (which they are using) puts man in the ape baramin, or shows a phylogenetic relationship between birds & reptiles, fish & amphibians etc. that is concordant with the fossil record, & mainstream paleontologies interpretations of it?
They will ignore it.
Practically any sort of phylogeny, regardless of the data it is derived from, puts man & apes in the same clade. This isn't science, it is an intellectually dishonest attempt to "prove" a pet theory by only using evidence that fits, & binning everything that doesn't.
Christian baraminologists WILL NOT show humans & apes to be related, regardless of evidence, BECAUSE IT CONTRADICTS THEIR FAITH. They simply WILL NOT admit it, but will accept phylogenies derived from the same data that puts chimps & gorillas together.
Mark
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mark24
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Message 36 of 42 (10234)
05-22-2002 9:22 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by private_universe
05-22-2002 8:04 PM


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Originally posted by private_universe:
I'm a newbie to this site, but I've been studying molecular biology for 4 years and never come across this "baramin" stuff. At the risk of sounding like an idiot could someone explain it to me? Never heard of it before.
Hi pv,
Try this site, it contains a fair explanation.
http://www.creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/37/37_2/baraminology.htm
Note guideline 1 that is going to trump all other considerations.
"1. Scripture claims (used in baraminology but not in discontinuity systematics). This has priority over all other considerations. For example humans are a separate holobaramin because they separately were created (Genesis 1 and 2)."
Baraminology isn't science.
Mark
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