I'd like to refute you but I feel you will just come back again. You are satisfied that you are right, and I am satisfied I am right. I t took a while to do those last two messages I done and I felt they were in vain. I think it is best that we agree to disagree now as I think it's headed nowhere. I respect your belief that there is misery and so for you there is no God, or more accurately - I respect and like you and this means we will only end up name calling if we carry on. So if it is okay with you I would like to call it a day with this one, Unless you really really wanted an answer to your post I must refrain now. Regards, Mike.