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arachnophilia
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Message 4 of 13 (109741)
05-21-2004 7:04 PM


in all probability, the story intends that all or most of the magi came at around the time jesus would have been a small child.
the story's basic theme is a concquering of the babylonian people who had previously enslaved them. now the magi, the astrological advisors to the babylonian king ("heylel" often mistranslated "lucifer"), see a sign in the heavens that indicates their new king has been born in galilea.
personally, i doubt they would have sent just three. and they apparently made enough of a presence in jerusalem that it attracted the attention of herod, who then initiates the slaughter of the innocents, a reinterpretation of the passover story. or, at least, that's how ONE of the stories goes.

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arachnophilia
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Message 6 of 13 (109962)
05-23-2004 5:44 AM
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05-22-2004 5:13 AM


....and their supposed names Casper, Balthasar and Melchior are nowhere mentioned in the Bible.
where the heck does that come from anyways? i'm not sure if i've even heard that before.

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arachnophilia
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Message 12 of 13 (127248)
07-24-2004 2:51 AM
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07-23-2004 4:10 PM


Exactly. In reality, there were likely no "wiseman" visitations at all. Just a corrupted rendition of a former understanding regarding the significance of a trigonal conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter in Pisces.
i had hear it was jupiter and something else in aries, but i might be remembering wrong. i'm pretty sure aries was involved, because i remember seeing a coing dated about 6bc with a picture of a ram and a comet.
that, and i'm an aries too, which i think is cool.
but yes, i doubt the wisemen thing actually happened too, but i don't totally disbelieve it. afterall, the buddhist monks do something very similar.
(hey... maybe jesus = buddha? lol)
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Message 13 of 13 (127249)
07-24-2004 2:52 AM
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07-23-2004 5:53 PM


Re: babylonia?
The magi were Persian Astrologers,...
...Persia was modern day Iran...
you sure? i'll check on that too, becuase i'm not sure myself.
[edit]
looked up a bit. magi, traditionally, are in fact persian. but the babylonian symbolism aspect makes a lot more sense to me.
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