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jar
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Message 1 of 8 (109516)
05-20-2004 7:35 PM


but are there any other fans of Orfeu Negro?
I first saw it back in 1960 and it has been with me since. Of all the movies I've ever seen, none has ever been as haunting. In particular, the soundtrack is simply astounding.
Just wondered if anyone else was familar with it or if there were other equally haunting films in your lives?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Riley
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Message 2 of 8 (109598)
05-21-2004 2:37 AM
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05-20-2004 7:35 PM


Glad you brought it up, jar. I saw it in the mid-late 70s, sometime after spending $500 on a first-generation Betamax so I could hunt down all the films I'd never got a chance to see. (The $500 was a steal, by the way; the thing was a scratch & dent.)
It didn't make that great an impression on me--I remember it had a genuinely lyrical beauty. Just didn't stick with me at the time, I guess (I was watching a lot of films in those days) but it does come back now and I'll get around to seeing it again sometime soon.
It must have been a different experience seeing it when bossa nova was new. By the time I saw the film, of course, it was something I remembered as a trend from way back and was not particularly my cup of tea. But I took the guitar back up a dozen years later, gravitated to classical, then picked up some samba and choro by osmosis. I play "A Felicidade" and "Manha de Carnaval" but it hadn't occurred to me they're from that soundtrack.
I guess the film that haunts me is Jean Vigo's "L'Atalante", for its effortless poetry, great performances and the warm and funny humanity of a film made while its director was dying of TB at 29. And a wonderful score by the great Maurice Jaubert.

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jar
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Message 3 of 8 (109676)
05-21-2004 12:27 PM
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05-21-2004 2:37 AM


Both from that soundtrack.
I grew up in Baltimore and from about 1960 on was a regular at a little bar in Georgetown called the Showboat. Charley Byrd was always there and over the years I struck up an aquaintance with him. When we'd come in he'd come over to the table between sets for a coffee, cream two sugars. We were just barely old enough to order a beer in DC at the time and I guess he enjoyed finding kids that appreciated some of the areas he was exploring.
In 1962 IIRC, he and Stan Getz released Jazz Samba. It simply reenforced the impact of the movie. That was my first introduction, although I did not know it at the time, to the triumverate of Bonfa, Jobim and Gilberto. For the first time I learned the origin of those haunting melodies that had so deeply moved me.
Some nights, something we said would really get to him and he would go get his guitar. He'd sit at the table and run through a half dozen or so short themes, starting with one very simple thread and then expanding as he would pick simultaneously with both hands, wander off and adding to the initial theme and then returning, as if by magic at the end.
What was so amazing to me was, even though he was on a break, and waiters were rushing around filling drink orders at the time, everyone in the place shut up while he was playing and it was as though we were in the center of a cone of silence (appologizies to Maxwell). When he finished, the silence would continue for what seemed like forever, and then the sounds, conversations and bustle would pick up again.

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Message 4 of 8 (109682)
05-21-2004 1:42 PM
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05-20-2004 7:35 PM


Needed better topic title (now done)
Suggest one as a reply to this message, and one of the admins can change it.
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Note by edit: Topic title changed from Not speaking of Evolution to Movies and Movie Soundtracks (was "Not speaking of Evolution").
New topic starters - Even if the new topic isn't going through the "Proposed New Topics" process, a quality descriptive topic title is still a good thing.
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berberry
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Message 5 of 8 (109704)
05-21-2004 3:20 PM
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05-20-2004 7:35 PM


I've seen it and I love it! Great film, the music is fun and it stays with you.
Anyone who's ever been to Mardi Gras should grab a copy of this film and watch it. As the title suggests (in English it's Black Orpheus) it's a retelling of the Orpheus and Eurydice fable. The setting is Carnival in Rio and the samba music is unforgettable.

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Riley
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Message 6 of 8 (109946)
05-23-2004 12:28 AM
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05-21-2004 12:27 PM


What a great story about Byrd, though unfortunately it also reminds me that the great Barney Kessel died earlier this month.
I've been trying to build up my Brazilian music collection, starting with Brazilian artists first. Recommendations for Byrd and Stan Getz would be appreciated. How is it that when I had no disposable income I brought home albums by the armload, but now I can't afford CDs?
Called my local independent video guy this afternoon, and he's got Orfeu Negro, so the next time it's raining too hard to work in the garden all weekend...

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jar
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Message 7 of 8 (109982)
05-23-2004 10:08 AM
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05-23-2004 12:28 AM


If I had only one Album from that genre
it would be Joao Gilberto's Live In Montreux.
Getz did an album with Jobim called Wave.
From Byrd, in addition to the Byrd/Getz album look for Brazilan Byrd and The Bossa Nova Years.

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Riley
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Message 8 of 8 (110185)
05-24-2004 3:31 PM
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05-23-2004 10:08 AM


Re: If I had only one Album from that genre
Thanks, jar. I have the Verve collections for Jobim and Joao Gilberto. The Gilberto has very spare accompaniment (like the Montreux album, I take it). It's glorious. The Jobim is marred in spots by syrupy orchestrations (I grew up on rock and roll and blues; the Playboy After Dark sound is a little tough on me). Still, it's Jobim. I could listen to his stuff on kazoo.
I've been thinking back on movies and their sountracks...there's the great Nino Rota's score to Fellini's Amarcord, the zither music of The Third Man... I love the 20s and 30s rags and blues from Crumb, which was haunting in its own way. And I can't hear the Four Tops' "Same Old Song" quite the same way after I saw the Coen Brother's Blood Simple during its three-day first run twenty years ago. Wow, time flies.
Do people have the same relationship to film anymore? Can you get emotionally attached to a particular car crash?

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