Blaming God, who you say doesn't exist

or, Hartsfield...
or Reagan...
or BWI or ...Wait, is there a perfectly good day at an airport or is it more like any crash you walk away from.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Surely you are an unbeliever, and if you are, you also watch suffering. Now go and sell your house and all your posessions, that the poor may recieve the end of their starvation. For cannot, if all humanity tried, end the starvation of the poor rather than debate for the pit, in favour of pointing and murmuring at God.Yet you will not, nor I. For only one is good, only God. And only one is perfect.If you are an unbeliever, then you think there is no paradise for the poor, yet you still don't move your hand. Yet God says there is a paradise, and those that are the least and last, shall be first. And not only this, how many have recieved bread for food aswell as bread from heaven? So it seems we are hypocrites of mighty action, when these things are added up. For you even (if you are an unbeliever) think that no heaven awaits the poor, yet you and all the other humans, choose their own greed and riches, rather than feeding empty innocent bellies. So then, how can you point the finger at God knoing these things?All the leaders of this world, could end all suffering tomorrow. And if all loved their enemy and neighbour, then that would also end it.Add this all up and you can see that when we look at ourselves, surely our righteoussness is as filthy rags to God. How can we even mention the suffering of this world when we are the ones that cause it?

MikeWhy do you seem to think that Atheists do not also do good works?I agree that most of the ills of the world could be cured. But it is not just the leaders who would need to change. It is each and every individual.I have in numerous posts said it is silly to blame GOD for evil. But I can also see and understand when religious people, particularly Christians claim things like, "Not a sparrow falls" and then try to backtrack when that is echoed back.Just as the Bible is not Christianity, the world and the people in it are not simply automatons. People do bad things. Bad things happen. Good things happen. Not all good is divine intervention. Not all bad is divine retribution.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Did I say atheists do not do good works? I am sure you do good work.I am blaming humans, all of them, including me. It is only by God, righteoussness, not by I anything. I am saying that WE are responsible.For I ask, what rich man could not fill an empty belly?
For I ask, who but a lustful pervert of satan could rape a child?
For I ask, who could murder another but it be from the anger inside them?
For I ask, who would do war?
For I ask, who is it that stops peace?All these things humans do. Even the animals are seemingly blameless, in comparison.

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so the serpent wasn't evil?

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Yes but satan was an angel. However to give man freewill God had to let the serpent at least test man. He had to let him have the choice. (Romans 5:12)

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Well sure, the Bible says that he'll be back, but why should we trust it? If God even exists, he didn't leave any evidence for his prescence in the first place and he shows no signs of returning that can't be explained away as hoaxes and natural phenomena. If God exists, he must be making an effort to be invisible to us. He must want us to lose faith in him, so why should we have faith when he doesn't want us to believe anyway?

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He left Jesus. Who was an historical figure who did the things the Bible spoke of including the miracles and resurrection. Of course not everyone believes this but this can be used as evidence he left us.

make up your mind. either evil didn't exist before the fall of man, or the serpent was evil.

It can't be used as evidence because there is no proof of Jesus’ existence or ability to perform miracles outside of accounts written decades after his death. It would be like if I were to write about someone who died in World War II using only secondhand information. It’s not reliable because people have fallible memories and they change facts to fit their own biases. Surely someone would have written something down during Jesus’ life if he was real. Why should we believe anything without reliable evidence?

YOU might believe that Jesus existed, I certainly believe that Jesus existed, but to say that is evidence is simply silly. Of the many historical figures there is less evidence for Jesus existence than there is of Arthur's. And there is much less evidence than there is for people who lived even earlier such as Homer.Come on now.

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Isn't the bible documentation? Hardly silly of Almeyda. What about prayer aswell? S/he could have evidence that Christ answers her prayers. The bible is evidence that Christ existed.You are one that also says that the bible is a "collection" of fallible books. Therefore, each book is independent evidence, you can't have it both ways.So, do you as an atheist do good works Jar? Or are you a man pleaser? Who only says things that please unbeliever's ears.This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 06-16-2004 03:04 PM

Did you really read what I wrote, particularly But that is a personal belief. There is no real evidence to support that belief.Let me give you an example.In the Iliad we can read about Achilles. Is the fact that he is mentioned in the Iliad proof that he really existed?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

In fact, does any fictional character exist at all even though they are mentioned in certain texts?

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achilles probably existed. was he half god and could only be killed by the fated ankle wound? probably not.remember. the illiad is, at the very least, a historical fiction about very real places and a very real war (well... series of wars)... just the story line and the causality is probably fudged. but the people (or most of them) were probably real as well.

except that achilles was already mythological figure, and the iliad borrowed him from earlier myths. for instance, the bit about amazons -- it was achilles who foudn them and killed their queen, and then fell in love with her corpse.

What about the evidence of Christmas?. Are you saying this is just some holiday people made up for some guy who may or may not have lived or made such a impact on mankind?. What about Easter?, or the fact that our timeline is biblical and according to Christs life. Before Christ and A.D.This message has been edited by almeyda, 06-17-2004 04:32 AM