Religion without hell?

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Originally posted by Syamsu:
This sort of "moral" pain also exists before death of course. I just meant to say that hellish pain exists, regardless of whether you believe in God and hell, or not.

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regards,
Mohammad Nor Syamsu

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But calling a particular pain 'hellish' is colloquial for 'it hurts a lot.' It doesn't mean anything concrete.------------------
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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
IMO and most of the Christian church, It isn't hell they are worried about, but eternal separation.

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Having grown up in a Christian church, I was never threatened with eternal seperation but with eternal fire that was seven times hotter than any fire on Earth.I have heard the 'eternal seperation' argument. While it may be good for keeping believers in the church, it isn't any good for winning converts. For someone who has never heard of Christ, the threat of being forever seperated from him is meaningless.------------------
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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
--Hence the word 'illinformity'

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Hence the word..... wanna define that TC 'cause I can't find it on the web. I am assuming for now that it means something like 'poorly informed' which makes me wonder why you didn't just say "I think you where poorly informed." But more importantly, it implies that you are more correctly informed, which is just plain irritating. Of course, I guess you are one of the chosen.It also sidesteps the real issue, which is that the Christianity I was raised with doesn't conform to your sophistry.

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I believe that God's condemnation is just and fair, I reject the conjecture that God will send someone in hell for not believing in what Jesus Christ has done if they never heard the name.

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Got some holy writ to back that up? Just curious, because it doesn't even address the same point I made, which involves not god's justice or sending people to hell who have not heard the name. My point was about the use of the concept in religion. Note the topic: "Religion without hell?"

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Also, you misuse the word 'threaten', it isn't a threat, but a warning.

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threaten: to declare intent to harm or punish, to warn of upcoming trouble or harmwarn: to alert to possible harm, to advise about the possible consequences of a particular action.both from Wordsmyth at http://www.wordsmyth.netPretty close, eh? Note that 'threaten' actually uses 'warn' in it definition. For you its a warning, for someone who DOESN'T ALREADY BELIEVE it is a threat.But why the word game? Can you not stand that your god can threaten? Or that the church threatens everytime it brings up hellfire? Or that the threat of hell is a powerful psychological force? Or that threats are the building blocks of the faith? You've nothing solid, so why not use FEAR?------------------
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Originally posted by Andya Primanda:
Can a religion teach us to know God without having to point at Hell?

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The more mystical branches of most religions do this. But mysticism never really becomes popular religion.------------------
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Originally posted by Andya Primanda:
I know. Why is it so hard for people to act altruistically? Was it because of selfish genes within us?

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I can't think of a compelling reason why a true altruism would develop. Actually, I can't think of a truly altruistic act at all-- that is, an act which unquestionably has no benefit for the actor.So yes, I think selfish behavior is embedded in our biochemistry.------------------
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Originally posted by Andya Primanda:
...which would really make a good excuse for the need of a moral system. Anyway, we know that without rules, we tend to follow our selfish selves (forgive the pun).

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I agree. Morals, religion, government, ethics.... all there to make us work together on a scale larger than that of two or three friends.------------------
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Originally posted by allen:
can anyone explain the existance of a soul IN a human body, and please explain to me how it can exist in flesh..

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Well point one out and I'll see what I do. Its near impossible the properly analyze the situation not having a soul to study.

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and when the flesh dies, does it evaporate into thin air...also..

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Like I said.... ain't got a soul to study.

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I AM VERY SERIOUS that i wittnessed this happening near my home... is there some way that with these pyrimid shapped objects one can emmitt a 3-d immage , and project it to earth from the sky??!

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Yeah, actually, you can do this with lasers. You need several lasers and a lot of processing power. Basically, you have described the process of generating a hologram. About the flying pyramids... don't know what to tell you; but assuming the pyramids as a base for the lasers, generating an image at the surface should be no problem. If this image is solid-- you can touch it-- then I doubt we have anything capable of getting close.------------------
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Originally posted by allen:
speaking of souls..

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I haven't been able to find anything about this phenomena, though I haven't look very hard.Initial thoughts:This lady was connected to scores of machines right? I suspect it isn't too hard to fake this accidentally with technology.Secondly, this is the sort of thing that is just too obvious. Is finding a soul were this easy there would be no doubters.------------------
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