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Yaro
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Message 5 of 55 (125141)
07-16-2004 9:58 PM


Fertilization in the Womb is a Lie!
According to the theory of fertilization we are born from embryos created due to the fertilization of the egg with one single sperm!!!! Only problem is the probability that one particular sperm will fertelize one particular egg are astronomical!!!!!!!
A woman mensturates once a month, and only for a window of a few weeks is she abble to become pregnant, after that the egg is flushed from the body. Sperm reside in the testeess for as little as 3 days, thats 3 DAYS!!!!!!! Before being reabsorbed into the body!!!!!!!!
To make matters worse there are millions, nay, billions of them!!!!!!!! The male on avarge ejaculats 5 or six times when copulating. Thats about 6 million sperm per ejaculation which totals to 36 million sperm!!!!!! The chances of one particular sperm uniting with the egg are astronomical!!!!!!! There are too many variables!!!! Not to mention the fact that uniting it with one particular egg compounds the improbability of the event!!!!!!
It would be a number with gagillions of zeros behind it!!!! It such a big number!!!! You should be sooooo impressed, its even got a decimal point!
God is great!
QED
P.s. Arguments from disbelife don't work. Improbable things happen all the time. The universe itself is improbable.
Given enugh time, and enugh space, things will happen.

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Yaro
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Message 14 of 55 (125161)
07-16-2004 10:30 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Nasa
07-16-2004 10:13 PM


The only thing that happens is decay.
Really? Did you decay in the womb?
Where on earth did you get this idea?
Explain to me what you are tring to put across......
I am saying that you don't know the difference between improbable and impossible, they don't mean the same thing. No one is arguing that life is an unlikely event, the numbers are huge. But guess what?
Stretch the time out long enugh, and tons of unlikely stuff starts happening. People eventually win the Lotto, and sperm do eventually fertelize eggs despite the improbability of the events.
So your argument is a non-argument.
Just cuz the numbers are big, dosn't mean it didn't happen.

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Yaro
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Message 25 of 55 (125176)
07-16-2004 10:42 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by NosyNed
07-16-2004 10:31 PM


Re: a suggestion Yaro
Nosey, why don't you just move this to one of the other forums.
Don't let Nasa get away with hiding in the Coffee House.

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Yaro
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Message 27 of 55 (125178)
07-16-2004 10:45 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Nasa
07-16-2004 10:40 PM


You missed me
you didn't reply to my last post where I said that improbable dosn't mean impossible.
What good is it to discuss the math behind blood cells, it won't further your cause.
If I win the lotto, and Im standing here with a big fat check. And you say, the chances are astronomical that you would ever win the loto!!!!, does that mean I dindn't win?

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Yaro
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Message 31 of 55 (125184)
07-16-2004 10:55 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Nasa
07-16-2004 10:51 PM


Re: You missed me
explain what?
I'm waiting from a reply from you.
In these forums there is a general reply button and a specific reply button. When you want to reply to a person you click the little red reply button under their post.
That being said, is there something you in particular you want me to respond to?
And I would appreciate it if you addressed my points.
Thank you.

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Yaro
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Message 40 of 55 (125197)
07-16-2004 11:31 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Nasa
07-16-2004 11:10 PM


Got ya.....Decay always follows a system if absent in -input of productive energy. Hence Rusting rotting.
ummm.... things rotting feeds the bacteria, bugs, worms, those feed birds, which also eat seeds, poop them, spread plants, which feed cows, which feed us.
Whats your point? It's a cycle not a rush to a dead end. I don't think you have the fist clue what you are talking about.
I think you have a very vague Idea concerning entropy, so vague infact that you are missenterpretting it entirely. One of its requirements for one thing, is a closed system.
And yes we are decaying in our mothers womb, genetic information is being lost generation after generation. The genetic load is a great argument against the believed long term (1,000,000 years or so)existence of ManKIND.
Genetic load? huh?
Genetic info isn't being lost, what are you talking about? Genes change, some come some go, they aren't getting 'lost'.
Do you even know how DNA and genetics work?
We see all around us the opposite to evolution occurring. DECAY, for the reason of sin entering in to the physical existence. Everything is dying, the universe, or planet, the sun, every thing is heading toward disorder......Ourselves included, quite true, look around...
There is no evidence for this, I look around and things look about the same as I last checked. I don't see the stars falling out of the sky, or the world melting into mush. It seems the same to me.
Again, I don't think you have the first clue what you are talking about.

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Yaro
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Message 41 of 55 (125199)
07-16-2004 11:33 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Nasa
07-16-2004 11:27 PM


that translates to:
‘J:
What does it mean?

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Yaro
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Message 49 of 55 (125439)
07-18-2004 10:26 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by Nasa
07-18-2004 9:44 AM


First question, Do you believe the bible?
No. It is a book of stories and myths with a smattering of interesting philosophy and intelectual musings. Little else than that.
Next, the cycle you talk about (Death) animals eating one another, was not present in the Begining. - Genesis.
Seed fruits and grass, many of which types have been lost, was the soure of food.
I would fill this page with LOL's if I could. Don't you realize how rediculous this statement is?
Lets put it like this, do you know how digestion works?
Well, mainly all stomachs are fermentation chambers where certain kinds of bacteria live. Now bacteria are so small that their digestive processes work on the molecular level using enzymes to break down the bonds in food and thereby seperating the 'wheet from the chaff'. When you eat a steak these backteria break down the meat into its basic components, i.e. protein etc. Problem is only certain types of bacteria have the apropriate enzymes for various types of food, furthermore some animals stomachs will only support some kinds and not others.
You ever heard of corn-fed cattle? Well corn is cheep, but cows cant digest the stuff cuz they don't have the proper enzymes in their gut. So farmers forcefeed them bacterial soup so they can digest it. Unfortunetly the cows body rejects these new bacteria and they need to be refed the stuff once a month or so. This is actually a very crewl and barbaric reality of cattle farming.
Lactos intolerance, and farting after eating beans comes from the same issue. Some people lack the enzymes to digest certain things.
Suggesting that Lions subsisted on fruits and vegetables is as assinine as saying cows subsisted on meet. The two creatures are simply incapable of living off such diets.
Another issue, animals digestive systems and metabolisims are well suited to certain types of food. One reason a cow does so well eating the relitively nutrieant poor grass, is because of his metabolisim and his adaptation called the rumen.
A cows metabolisim is slow, meaning it dosn't burn up as much energy as other creatures, this allows it to stand arownd and eat ALOT. All this grass and stuff sits in the cows stomach for a long time, breaking down and fermenting. The body sucking out every last drop of nutrition from the plant matter. The rumen is a sort of gizard that stores food and regurgitates it into the mouth for a second chewing.
Again, this is to suck out all the nutrition. The four chanbers of the cows stomach are similarly adapted, each thuroughly digesting the stuff, over and, over and, over. Thats how the cow can subsist on grass.
A lion on the other hand, is an animal clearly adapted to hunting. Hes got sharp teeth, a powerfull jaw, grasping claws, and a fast metabolisim. A lion burns up tons of energy in a day. So much energy that he would litteraly starve even if he HAD the capacity to eat grass.
In order to keep this energy up, the lion needs to make a kill, and gourge himself on pounds of animal meat. Full of proteins and nutritious fat, and tons of calories. All this the lion stores as reserves till he makes the next kill.
It is because of this that lions lead such an active life, they are on the prowl all night and afternoon, resting much in the day to conserve energy
What does this have to do with genesis?
Esentialy, why the hell do lions have the mouths of carnivors and couldn't eat fruits and veggies even if they wanted to?
Why are cows digestive systems so suited to eat grass, and only grass, and lions aren't?
I mean, if animals that eat grass need such a special digestive system, how come carnivors don't have it?
Are you suggesting that lions had such a digestive system before the fall, and then miraculously lost it?
If there was no death, then what do you call killing the fruits and plants everyone was eating?
If a fruit fell from the trees in those days, it wouldn't rot and release its seeds? How did plants reproduce? You do know that the other junk has to either be eaten or rot away for the seeds to come out.
Another point, if there was no decay. How the hell did animals digest ANYTHING! After all, the bacteria couldent effectively digest the stuff, 'no rotting', so then nothing would be able to eat. Why do you think farts stink? It's cuz stuff is rotting in there! Thats what fermentation and digestion is.
Are you an evolutionist....?
What is that?
Genetic load, is the loss of information.......The increase in mutations causing death.
Oh really, do you have any secondary sources speaking on this subject?
New super bugs (mutant viruses) are a prime example of this, loss of information causing death. Developed at the over use of Penicillin.
Huh? Penicillin isn't for viruses it's an anti-biotic. Its used for bacteriological infections. Virus and/or bacterial mutation is a prime example of evolution, not loss of information.
Ask Rhain about the T4 phage.
The target protein within the virus, that penicillin would attack and cause a poisonous reaction within the virus has been killed off.
Could you please site this article.
Furthermore, why do you think doctors are very stingy with antibiotics? They don't want to build up an immunity in your body. What is this immunity you ask?
*drum roll*
Evolution acted upon by natural selection!
The evil bacteria start changing and evolving in this new poisenus environment. As a result, only those resistent begin surviving. Before long your body is overrun with resistant bacteria! Evolution at work my friend.
Life was once perfect, in the sense that perfection once dwelt with it. The energy, -the life radiating from the Lord would not allow death, or decay.
So we couldnt digest anything.
BTW, do you know what topsoil is mostly made of? Organic, decaying matter. That's right, plants, flowers, grass, all need tons of nutrient rich rotting stuff in order to live. Top soil is nothing more than the mushy remains of plant debis, animal poop, and dead things.
So how did plants live without decay?
Try look around you again, quite literally at morality.
Morality is an intangible concept.
The weather....Sun spots, causing great concern amoung many.
Why? They happen all the time, sometimes they disrupt radio signals. Big deal.
The sun just might not be that believed age.......Runing out fast.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA! cute.
Earthquakes at their highest recorded levels (worldwide) in power and frequency.
Hmmm... thats odd, as I understand it they have been happening at around the same rate for thousands of years. Do you have any data proving your statement?
Wild fires, floods, famine and desease.....An estimated 5 - 20 million peolpe die from starvation due to freak weather patterns every year.
Again, show me the data.
Topsoil loss, Trees....
Thats mostly due to stupid humans, greedy presidents, and poor people trying to make a quick buck.
The extintion of aninamls at highest recorded levels.
Mans fault again.
Good luck!

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