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Loudmouth
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Message 4 of 24 (128459)
07-28-2004 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by CK
07-28-2004 7:06 PM


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Is it the done thing for the admin version of a poster to approve their own topics?
Yeah. NosyNed did the same thing in another forum. I really don't have a problem with it. Once someone is given the title of Admin(insert name), it is agreed that they understand the requirements for an opening post. Plus, it is rare for a creationist to open a thoughtful thread so it probably shouldn't be discouraged, just on principle alone.

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Loudmouth
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Message 8 of 24 (128463)
07-28-2004 7:20 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Hangdawg13
07-28-2004 6:53 PM


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What would cause such a vast amount of plants and animals to be buried rapidly enough to produce the carbon for this oil?
Who said it had to be rapid? What you are forgetting is that oil does not stay where it is formed. Instead it perculates down into the ground, often taking up the spaces between particles in sedimentary rock (such as oil shales). An oil "well" is not a vast, open cavern filled with hydrocarbons, but an area of porous material that holds oil under pressure. Once that pressure is released then the oil shoots to the surface.
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I have heard the creationist argument that since oil resevoirs exist in permiable rock at such high pressures, they must be young or else the pressures would have dissipated over the millions of years. What is the uniformitarian explanation?
My geologic knowledge is pretty shaky, but if I remember correctly the oil wells are surrounded by rock that holds the oil in so that it can't escape. Think of it as mud kept in a cement ditch. The pressure can't escape because there is nowhere for it to escape to.
The rest I will have to read up on, or leave it for the local geology experts (eg Bill Berkland). Like I said, don't take my word as gospel (pardon the pun).

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Loudmouth
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Message 18 of 24 (128642)
07-29-2004 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by contracycle
07-29-2004 6:21 AM


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Condensation and precipitation are usually achieved by cooling, rather than heating, are they not?
I think in this case, "condensation" describes the production of longer hydrocarbon chains from methane, going from a one carbone molecule (methane,CH4) to octane and nonanes (octane = C8H18). If I remember my organic chemistry correctly, you would have to account for the amount of hydrogen that would be produced, or look for evidence of reduced chemicals that would fuel the reaction. (just to jog everyones memorya, if two methanes join then the carbon-hydrogen bonds are replaced by carbon-carbon bonds, the hydrogen has to go somewhere, possibly H2S).

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Loudmouth
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Message 21 of 24 (128685)
07-29-2004 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by CK
07-29-2004 3:19 PM


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em... would I be premature in saying:
I declare this thread dead.
As long as there are creationists there will always be a way of ignoring the data, even if it is ad hoc, or completely untestable. Just look at other threads where creationists claim that science can't study the past. Just remember, when you argue with the ignorant they drag you down to their level and beat you through experience.
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