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Author Topic:   Is the Bible the Word of God II?
Martin J. Koszegi
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Message 90 of 97 (13663)
07-16-2002 7:08 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by John
07-16-2002 4:41 PM


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But you fellas are ignoring all of the factors that limit reproduction in the real world. Most notable, food supply.
Reply:
I'm sure that any argument that can be put forth to bolster your claim here, can be challenged at least as legitimately with another argument.
In remembrance that only Jesus must be reckoned with . . . (martinkoszegi@yahoo.com)
--Marty

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Martin J. Koszegi
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Message 91 of 97 (13666)
07-16-2002 7:20 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by John
07-16-2002 6:23 PM


QUOTE:
Ok. I'm game. What are those legitimate ways?
Reply:
I think I read your arguments, or at least a good chunk of them, that you used on the other threads. The issue here is one of the availability of food. What's to stop the earth from becoming lush with an incredible abundance of food once the seeds start to grow all over the place after Noah's Flood?
In remembrance that only Jesus must be reckoned with . . . (martinkoszegi@yahoo.com)
--Marty

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Martin J. Koszegi
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Message 95 of 97 (13721)
07-17-2002 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by Peter
07-17-2002 5:31 AM


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I think the longer life-spans add to the problem in this case.
The founders of the radically different Egyptian culture would
have near-direct knowledge of the one God through their still-living
clan elders (i.e. Shem, Ham, Japheth, and possibly even Noah).
Reply:
I don't believe that this indicates a problem other than the tendency of Fallen creatures to reject the ways of the true God. And very early groups could've branched out to begin in new areas that became alienated from the influence of Noah.
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But how many generations do you think would be required for
the influence of Noah and Sons to wane ?
I know this is supposition (on both sides), but we are talking
credibility here.
Reply:
As many generations as it takes for children of Godly households today (to reject Godly ways). It's not all about psychological and environmental influences.
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Even the grandchildren of Shem etc. would have been raised with
the stories of first hand experience of God.
Reply:
I guess my latter response still applies here.
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Also, even the isrealites at the time of Moses, fell back to worshipping their 'old' Gods (or at least worshipping in the
old manner), which suggests a religion prior
to the worship of the one God ...
Reply:
Prior to the time of Moses and the ten commandments, i.e., the time of their several hundred year exposure to the pagan Egyptian practices, but not the ORIGINAL practice.
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So you are saying that the Pagan God's worshipped by the israelites
were Egyptian in origin ?
Reply:
Could be. But there was probably a tendency even before this to reject the worshipping of the true God.
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Originally posted by Martin J. Koszegi:
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. . . but after Noah why would
those old God's be mentioned at all (by people)?
Reply:
As a historical backdrop to God's plan of redemption, it seems reasonable to include, among other things, the ongoing tendency of rebellious man to embrace pagan ways, rather than humbly accept the truth and be delivered.
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What I was really meaning is this ... after the Flood any theistic
tradition that is NOT centred on the one God had to have been
made-up by someone, from scratch.
Therefore, this would not be considered as an OLD god, but
as a new God who is better to worship than Noah's God.
Reply:
If one was to accept the premise of the biblical concept of good and evil, spiritual forces would have to be factored into the equation. Demonic influences have been around since before Adam, and they have impacted people since Eden. It's not all about mere people starting from scratch.
In remembrance that only Jesus must be reckoned with . . . (martinkoszegi@yahoo.com)
--Marty

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