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SirPimpsalot  Inactive Member |
In physics light refers to any wavelength of the electromagnetic spectrum. As applying the normal idea of light to mean that part of the EM spectrum that we can percieve then light was not immediately viewable in the initial stages of the universe but some 400,000 years after the big bang. I don't see how this detracts from my argument.....
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SirPimpsalot  Inactive Member |
He has two - one in Maths and one in Engineering. That still does not answer my question - Where is your evidence he is an accomplished scientist? If you have scientific degrees, you're a scientist, in my book.
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SirPimpsalot  Inactive Member |
I am familar with the procedure - I do not support your claim of the outcome of the procedure. Well, what DO you claim about the proceedure? That they save people from epilepsy by turning them into vegetables? Where exactly is your disagreement?
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SirPimpsalot  Inactive Member |
Let's start with talking snakes and asses houses and garments that catch leprosy and get "greenish or reddish strakes" as a result, speckled poles by the water trough causing goats to have speckled kids...... Miraculous events are not blatantly unscientific.
Let's leave the very plain descriptions of the Earth as immovable and the Flood story for another time. Earth as immovable? And we've already gone over the flood story.
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SirPimpsalot  Inactive Member |
1) I didn't say SUNlight, I said DAYlight. And that's what I meant. Clearly the author of Genesis didn't realise that the Sun was the source of daylight - and moonlight You're really reaching here, Paul.......I think any five year old knows the sun is the source of day light.
Either the answer that I suggested or the simple idea that temporal duration is of no great concern to an eternal being make more sense. It certainly does not imply that God could be considered "outside of time" (and just as well !). How is the concept of the Incarnation being present with God before God was Incarnated not a suggestion of God being outside of time?
3) No the Earth isn't "hanging" on anything "From an anthropological point of view"..........you take a man from five thousand years ago into space, show him the Earth, ask him what it's hanging on, and he'll say "the Earth is hung on nothing".
4) I didn't realise that I was talking to a Flatlander. In the three dimensional world I exist in spheres are not circles. Let me get this straight........because the anicient Hebrews didn't have more advanced scientific terminology than the average layman today, they couldn't speak scientific truth?
5) Well without knowing more it is impossible to evaluate the claim. The only clear evidence of location I can see is the reference to the Tigris and Euphrates. Again, nice duck of the two other rivers........I've never heard anyone claim the location of the source of those four rivers as anywhere but North Africa.
IF you read Genesis 1 literally it does say that nothing much greatly preceded the creation of man. But I don't read it literally.........and nothing therein makes me think I should read it literally.
Glacial meltings certianly didn't flood the entire planet Scientific fact, every area of the world, from an anthropological point of view, was flooded........
nor did they kill all air-breathing life except for the occupants of one large boat. If the Noah story has anything to do with the Glacial floodings the story has been exaggerated considerably. What, you expect God to break it down step by step for Noah, and just confuse the crap out of him. "Hey, Noah, this is God........look here, homeboy, there are these big hunks of ice hundreds of miles north of here........they're melting.....as they melt, they will destroy every region you're familiar with, but not literally the whole world" etc., etc., or "Noah, the whole world's getting flooded.....grab your crap and let's roll.........."
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SirPimpsalot  Inactive Member |
The pot calling the kettle black: Somehow a fish came ashore and evolved into a land animal and somehow a land animal grew wings and evolved into a bird. As to how any of this came to be/biogenesis - evos run and hide. Good point.........when it comes to supernatural events, materialists scoff because they've never SEEN a supernatural event occur........well, I've never SEEN macroevolution.......
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SirPimpsalot  Inactive Member |
A circle is NOT a sphere. In laymen's terms (and I don't think any Biblical scribes had PHDs), it certainly is.........
Functional hemispherectomy does NOT entail removing half the brain. "Functional hemispherectomy: This is a variation of a hemispherectomy, a radical procedure in which one entire hemisphere, or one half of the brain, is removed." WebMD - Better information. Better health. Who's your daddy? Don't waste my time looking up links because you don't stay current.......
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SirPimpsalot  Inactive Member |
Then perhaps you should read up on palaeontology. Jennifer Clack's Gaining Ground is possibly at your library - technical, but completely full of examples, with pictures, of "fish" becoming land critters. Let me rephrase my statement.......we've never seen NATURALISTIC macroevolution........
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SirPimpsalot  Inactive Member |
Yes, Earth as immovable: 1 Chronicles 16:30: He has fixed the earth firm, immovable. Psalm 93:1: Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ... Psalm 96:10: He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ... Psalm 104:5: Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken. Isaiah 45:18: ...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast... Once again, from the anthropological view point, the Earth IS immovable........
And the only "gone over" the Flood story we've done is to gloss over the parts about 15 cubits above the highest mountains and all life that had breath in in nostrils being destroyed. And I'm sure that in the region where Noah lived that's exactly what happened.....
The Black Sea filling up ain't that..... I don't know how deep the Black Sea is, but I'd be willing to bet that it's deeper than Mt. Ararat (if that's the mountain Noah landed on, I don't recall) is tall.
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SirPimpsalot  Inactive Member |
Bologna. Support this claim - did the Tibetans flood out? The ancestors of the Incas? I don't know about the Tibetans, but the flooding is thought to have effected much of South America......in fact, it's been proposed that the flooding is what caused the extinction of American elephants and other such animals.........there's even cause to believe that there was a pre-Incan Meso-American civilization established which was obliterated by these floods........
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SirPimpsalot  Inactive Member |
Well, it's pretty obvious that GOD didn't. Genesis 1 1: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.2: And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3: And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4: And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5: And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Notice that this is daylight and night. Day and Night. Light and Dark. But where is the sun? 14: And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:15: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16: And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17: And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18: And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19: And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. Why the sun shows up several days later. You're making the assertion that Biblical scribes couldn't figure out what most of us figures out by the time we're three..........this is ridiculous and desperate.
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SirPimpsalot  Inactive Member |
False. Man is far more closely related to other great apes than, off the top of my head: *aardvarks, echidnas, and platypuses are to anything else at all *two-toed sloths are to three-toed sloths, or either of them are to anteaters or armadillos * the pronghorn antelope is to any other ungulate. Back this up.
*the three species of elephant are to anything else Emphasis on THREE species of elephant.......
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SirPimpsalot  Inactive Member |
I'm not sure what you mean by that, other than "Is not!" Meaning, you cannot scientifically prove that miracles haven't occured.
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SirPimpsalot  Inactive Member |
....and from the antropological viewpoint, the earth doesn't hang unsupported in space; it's solid underneath us. But what does the Earth ITSELF rest on? Anthrpologically, nothing. Not a giant turtle, etc., as previous cultures proposed......
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SirPimpsalot  Inactive Member |
2) "before" is a temporal concept. It therefore cannot apply to something "outside of time" Right......the Bible was suggesting that Jesus time-traveled.........
3) Why would this man say that the Earth was hanging on anything ? Because, without knowledge of gravitational orbits, how can you state that something rests on nothing? You can't. That's why MOST ancient cultures asserted that the Earth was resting on a giant turtle......or that Atlas was carrying it......
Come on you can't really claim that this is any real indication of adcanced knowledge. I'm not claiming advanced knowledge, I'm claiming inspiration from a divine being who knew all.....
4) So your argument is that the Hebrews were too stupid to tell the difference between a circle and a sphere ? Let me get this straight........even in the day to day language of most people TODAY, the Earth is not a "sphere".......but the Hebrews were certainly scientifically astute enough to apply to correct scientific terminology to the shape of the Earth........ ......however, the Hebrews WEREN'T smart enough to figure out that when the sun goes down, that's the end of the day.
The Hebrews certainly DID have vocabulary that would have let them indicate that the world was spherical Again, we do too......but the MODERN layman never does so, just like the ancient layman didn't.......
5) I'm not ducking the other two - but the origin of the Tigris and Euphrates is NOT in North Africa - the rivers don't even reach there, they flow into the Persian Gulf, from a northerly direction. Yes, TODAY, this may be true........but rivers change a lot over the course of thousands of years......
Noah would have been better advised to move to higher ground With his wife, his sons, their wives, their children, and all their livestock, etc.? How fast do you think he could move to higher ground?
and he certainly wouldn't need to take every "kind" of animal since most of them would survive just fine, thank you, without the ark. If I recall correctly, the Bible makes it clear that God didn;t literally mean EVERY animal, as God lists the animals to be gathered at some point in time and he only names domestic stock........aka, every kind of animal useful to anthropos, man.
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