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Seafarer
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Message 1 of 18 (171052)
12-23-2004 1:37 AM


. . . and Happy Holidays to all.
Please don't let me spoil you party but I would argue that Christmass is for Catholics only and especially not for Christians who have thrown the baby out with the bath water when they threw out the daily masses.
I am not sure where this post will end up but here it goes.

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Message 7 of 18 (171108)
12-23-2004 10:15 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Dr Jack
12-23-2004 5:35 AM


Thanks all
It was by way of introduction that I threw out that post. The message really is that I am a Catholic who will always respect others (Happy Holydays again for whatever reason) but hold, argue, and defend the idea that heaven is for Catholics only (and Jews).
The fact is that there was no baby to be thrown out, but when they threw out the bathwater they recognized an actaul baby that never existed. Hence they now celebrate a birthday that never was. Hint, just go to John (the Catholic Gospel) where there is no infancy narrative while it does have a post resurrection account.
Please note that if I proclaim a heaven that is for Catholics only it doesn't look good for atheists either.

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Seafarer
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Message 8 of 18 (171110)
12-23-2004 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by coffee_addict
12-23-2004 2:14 AM


But we didn't throw anything out.
We do, or are suppose to, have daily masses and they parallel the daily rounds of Samsara that culminate in the final round of Samsara.
Our daily masses are much like the [daily] forms that culminate in the Final Form or the daily ousia's that culminate in the Parousia.
We have never thrown anything out because whatever we generate are eternal truths that can only bear fruit for the rest of the world to enjoy.

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Message 13 of 18 (171151)
12-23-2004 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by jar
12-23-2004 10:42 AM


Catholic with a capital C
Under Rome, yes. Not the generic small c stuff protestant conjure up with their eyes closed. Is that what you mean?

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Message 15 of 18 (171158)
12-23-2004 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by bob_gray
12-23-2004 10:48 AM


Thanks for the welcome Bob,
. . . but when I write that heaven is for Catholics only it is wrong to assume that everything else goes to hell. Besides, it is just an argument that I am wiling to present and defend and that does not condemn you or anyone unless you stand convicted by it without defense. After that you still do not have to believe anything I write.
Yes it has changed since Vatican II. I am more of a traditional Catholic and not much of a theologian at that. That they threw out Latin and indulgences just means that they no longer use them as tools. Evolution always was true outside Eden but not inside Eden where creation takes place. So when they agreed with 'you' (impersonal) they kind of understood your predicament.

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Message 16 of 18 (171159)
12-23-2004 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Brian
12-23-2004 10:57 AM


That's a good one!
Do they not have a Testament in force already? It is called the OT that is old because we have a new and improved way called the NT.
Sounds fair enough doesn't it?

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Seafarer
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Message 17 of 18 (171161)
12-23-2004 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by vossy
12-23-2004 11:13 AM


Re: Is Mel Gibson in the house?
I am not sure, my friend, if you should be reading some of the stuff I write. If you are taking RCIA classes you will certainly find conflict here and that may not be beneficial for 'you.' For sure, your teachers, including the priest, will not, and cannot agree with me in their capacity as shepherds leading sheep.
Vatican II is not mine to reject. It is just that I find the old school better from my perspective.

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