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Author Topic:   Is the evidence concerning the Nylon bug being exaggerated
Loudmouth
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Message 3 of 20 (159739)
11-15-2004 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Wounded King
11-15-2004 6:19 AM


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As I say, the argument is convincing but is it a documented frameshift mutation? Is there a plasmid or a gene identified in the wild corresponding to the alternative long ORF?
From the Ohno paper that you reference:
{abstract} . . .Analysis of the published base sequence residing in the pOAD2 plasmid of Flavobacterium Sp. K172 indicated that the 392-amino acid-residue-long bacterial enzyme 6-aminohexanoic acid linear oligomer hydrolase involved in degradation of nylon oligomers is specified by an alternative open reading frame of the preexisted coding sequence that originally specified a 472-residue-long arginine-rich protein
The difference between the wild type and the nylC gene is the insertion of one nucleotide that caused a reading frame shift. Before the mutation, there was a 472 amino acid protein that had no acitivity. The insertion of one nucleotide resulted in a new reading frame, a different amino acid sequence, and an active enzyme. We already know that random insertions of nucleotides occurs naturally in bacteria. Therefore, assuming that this mutation occured randomly and naturally is supported by the data. Also, when they claim that "the 392-amino acid-residue-long bacterial enzyme 6-aminohexanoic acid linear oligomer hydrolase involved in degradation of nylon oligomers is specified by an alternative open reading frame of the preexisted coding sequence that originally specified a 472-residue-long arginine-rich protein" they had to have the original sequence available, otherwise they could not make such a statement.

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Loudmouth
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Message 7 of 20 (160161)
11-16-2004 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Wounded King
11-16-2004 7:30 AM


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Dear Loudmouth,
I just reviewed some of the other threads on this topic, in particular the Debate Help Required
thread. Clearly you have read the primary literature on this subject previously.
TTFN,
WK
It seems like a decade ago, but yeah I have read the primary lit. I am reviewing some of it now and will get back to you later.

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Loudmouth
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Message 8 of 20 (160189)
11-16-2004 4:54 PM


Wounded King,
Ok, I found the problem. The Ohno 1984 paper involves the EI, EII, and EII' activities. These enzymes are coded by nylA, nylB, and nylB'. nylB and nylB' are derivatives of the same polypeptide repeat, according to Ohno. nylC is not mentioned anywhere in the paper which is designated as EIII in the literature.
I'll do some further research for references on nylC in order to find the premutation sequence.

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Loudmouth
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Message 10 of 20 (160510)
11-17-2004 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Wounded King
11-17-2004 3:05 AM


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Why should nylC have any particular relevance? The New mexicans for Science and Reason site is clearly talking about the sequence analysis of nylB from the Ohno (Ohno, 1984) paper.
You are absolutely correct. I feel a little embarassed. All this time I thought the NMSR site was referring to the nylC gene. Oops. More research is needed, I will get back to you.

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Loudmouth
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Message 15 of 20 (175859)
01-11-2005 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Nighttrain
01-11-2005 1:28 AM


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What I want to know is, are my fishing lines safe? Or do I have to coat them with a nucleotide bug-spray?
Yeah, your fishing lines are safe, as are women's pantyhose, climber's ropes, etc. The nylon bug eats short polymers of nylon that are in solution (ie in water). I'm not sure, but I think these enzymes are only found within the bacteria so the nylon derivatives need to be transported inside the bacteria before they are digested.

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Loudmouth
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Message 17 of 20 (175867)
01-11-2005 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by coffee_addict
01-11-2005 12:32 PM


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I wasn't asking for long explanations. I was talking about your gene discussions, which involved some really weird names.
Just quote the sections you don't understand and one of us can translate.

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Loudmouth
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Message 19 of 20 (175894)
01-11-2005 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by coffee_addict
01-11-2005 12:48 PM


Ahh, so you are taking the "blue pill".

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